The Oberto Dilemma - Oberto declines his option/becomes a free agent

[Spurminator]

3 years, $6 million

[Bruno]

I'd be surprised if they abort The 2008 Plan.

They haven't even started the 2008 plan.

[whottt]

Luis Scola....who is more talented, younger, and now...he's more likely cheaper.

He's also unproven(but wants to be paid like he is proven), talks a lot of , and can't play C, rebound, or defend as well as Oberto...and it took Oberto a year to get the system.

[Marcus Bryant]

I suspect he will get a significant raise. 3 years/$14 mil would work out to a starting salary of about $4.5 mil or so.

[timvp]

One thing to add to the equation is how all of this will effect the team this season in terms of the luxury tax. If you give Oberto a raise, re-sign Bonner, add a first round pick and use the MLE, I think that would push them far over the luxury tax threshold.

I don't know the exact numbers though.

[Marcus Bryant]

One thing to add to the equation is how all of this will effect the team this season in terms of the luxury tax. If you give Oberto a raise, re-sign Bonner, add a first round pick and use the MLE, I think that would push them far over the luxury tax threshold.

I don't know the exact numbers though.

Sounds right for 2007-08.

[timvp]

They haven't even started the 2008 plan.

You think it's magic that only three Spurs are on the books after this coming season?

[whottt]

Exactly what makes Bonner a must sign again?


I'm not hating...it's just that he contributed exactly jack to this le...and I haven't seen him hit a basket under anything remotely resembling pressure, yet, in his career....and we got PF projects coming out the Wazzoo(and will likely have another after this draft).

[timvp]

Exactly what makes Bonner a must sign again?


I'm not hating...it's just that he contributed exactly jack to this le...and I haven't seen him hit a basket under anything remotely resembling pressure yet in his career.

What did Oberto or SJax do in their first season with the Spurs?

[coopdogg3]

Fair enough - but what are you basing that on? You may not always like what we've done in the offseason over the past 5 years (I don't), but Pop/RC usually seem to have a pretty good idea of what they want to do, even after their first options fall through.

Oh, I've liked what RC and Pop have done. Can't argue with 3 championships in 5 years. I just don't think this makes any sense at all. I think the idea of the plan is mainly coming from fans, and not from the FO. If we re-sign Oberto and use our MLE on at least a 2 year deal, then a lot of that cap space is gone. I just don't think it makes good sense to have the big 3, throw in a high-dollar 4th (who may not mesh), and then surround them all with scrubs.

The Spurs just seem to re-boot every few years, and that's all 2008 will be. I highly doubt they sign anybody to big-dollar deal.

[Marcus Bryant]

The Spurs should no doubt be in a win now phase. Then again, I've been saying the same thing for seven years now.

If I were in control, I'd re-sign Oberto and Bonner. I'd be more hesitant to re-sign Finley than I would Oberto and Bonner. Finley is replaceable in the draft or in free agency since he plays the position that easiest to fill. Big guys who are willing and capable of fitting into the Spurs system are much tougher to find.

I'd also use the MLE to add talent to the team. If the Spurs have The 2008 Plan in mind, they won't use the MLE this summer.

We'll see how the Spurs proceed this summer but I'd be surprised if they abort The 2008 Plan. But we'll see.

Let Finley walk if his price is too high and sign DBrown.

[Brutalis]

Bye Fin, Bonner, and Oberto!

Don't really need ya. Can be easily replaced.

[Bruno]

You think it's magic that only three Spurs are on the books after this coming season?

Last summer they offered Pryzbilla a 4 years contract.
It's not like Spurs have only try to get last summer players for only 2 years.

[whottt]

What did Oberto or SJax do in their first season with the Spurs?

That kind of logic is the quick route to Clipperdom.


I'll be honest...I don't trust Bonner taking shots in big games. And I saw him play enough to feel pretty confident in my lack of trust...he's a hustle guy, but he's no freaking Robert Horry replacement...believe this.


Not a must sign IMO.

[Slinkyman]

One thing to add to the equation is how all of this will effect the team this season in terms of the luxury tax. If you give Oberto a raise, re-sign Bonner, add a first round pick and use the MLE, I think that would push them far over the luxury tax threshold.

I don't know the exact numbers though.

maybe it becomes a toss up, do we resign oberto or bonner? not both.

[AFBlue]

He's also unproven(but wants to be paid like he is proven)

There's so much speculation about what his buyout was ($3M, $9M, $15M), and what his actual contract demands were (seperate from buyout $$ or buyout $$ included) that I honestly don't think you can assess how much he was really asking....but my guess is that it's less than the $4M/yr that Oberto will likely get.

talks a lot of

I don't get this one. He's a talented guy that deserves a shot to play in this league and he was pissed off when he didn't get that opportunity. I look at him as being compe ive, not as being a jerk. Plus, if he truly is a -talker, let him try to back it up wiht play...

and can't play C, rebound, or defend as well as Oberto...and it took Oberto a year to get the system.

True, he can't play C, but the other bigs on the Spurs are versatile enough to...so he can play with them. I don't know whether or not he's a better defender, but he's at least a legitimate option on offense.

I look at Oberto alot like I look at Vaughn. Both play extremely hard and utilize their limited talent to the utmost...but in the end, there are just better options out there.

[ChumpDumper]

PFs that can hit the three make the Spurs offense work. Horry won't be around forever -- and will only be playing about 15mpg this coming season -- and I don't know of any other free agent who can do it.

If you don't care about 08, just bring everyone back. They are proven.

[Solid D]

PFs that can hit the three make the Spurs offense work. Horry won't be around forever -- and will only be playing about 15mpg this coming season -- and I don't know of any other free agent who can do it.

If you don't care about 08, just bring everyone back. They are proven.

Can you spell Nick Fazekas?

[timvp]

2006-07 Salaries
Duncan - 19M
Parker - 10.5M
Ginobili - 9.1M
Barry - 5.6M
Bowen - 4.1M
Horry - 3.6M
Elson - 3M
Butler - 2.4M
Udrih - 1.7M
White - .4M
Total = $59.4M

The luxury tax will probably kick in at around $67M. That means the Spurs have $7.6M to re-sign Oberto, Finley, Bonner and Vaughn. Also add in the cost of the first round draft pick if the Spurs decide to keep it.

It's going to be tough to do all that ... and that's not even considering using the MLE to improve the team.

I think that unless the Spurs let Oberto and Finley walk, there is no way they will use the MLE. Holt isn't going to okay the idea of going millions over the luxury tax threshold.

[ChumpDumper]

Can you spell Nick Fazekas?

If it weren't written in front of me, probably not.

Like I said -- free agent. I'm not crazy about using a first rounder on anyone slow.

[whottt]

PFs that can hit the three make the Spurs offense work. Horry won't be around forever -- and will only be playing about 15mpg this coming season -- and I don't know of any other free agent who can do it.

Um....guys that can't hit shots under pressure are usually useless to the Spurs and liking them is the same as hating Tim Duncan. Smitty, Porter, Hedo, Ferry...

If you don't care about 08, just bring everyone back. They are proven.

I do want everyone that was part of the core brought back...except for maybe Finley...and I want to add a SF that isn't a bean pole to the mix as well.

[coopdogg3]

You think it's magic that only three Spurs are on the books after this coming season?

Subs ute "coincidence" for "magic" and yeah, that's kinda what I think.

[timvp]

IMO.

Is that the same opinion that thought the Cavs would win in five?

[ChumpDumper]

Um....guys that can't hit shots under pressure are usually useless to the Spurs and liking them is the same as hating Tim Duncan.

Was Bonner ever in those situations?

I do want everyone that was part of the core brought back...except for maybe Finley...

Fine. See you in November.

[timvp]

and I want to add a SF that isn't a bean pole to the mix as well.

With what money? Maybe you can ask Santa.