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    Christopher Hitchens is smart but he lets his intellectual superiority complex combined with his hate for organized religion water down his logic and produce smug atheism-for-dummies books like "God is Not Great" which are lauded by anti-religion college students because it beefs up their sense of self-importance for rejecting a belief in something they don't see or fully understand.
    I'll agree that he's smug.
    And, I hate some of his political viewpoints.

    But, it's a pretty damn good book. It's a little broad and it's not meant as a cornerstone to atheism. It's basically an expose on religion and the negative, hateful, violent influence it's had over the centuries.

    It's a good book. If you haven't read it yet, or read it completely, I would definitely recommend it.

    It has even sold well in the bible belt.

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    dude peewee's lovechild...S y was just posting the article. It wasn't a discussion. You seriously need to find a place to vent your spiritual anger. You're more angry than Midge. Go take some prozac or something.

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    dude peewee's lovechild...S y was just posting the article. It wasn't a discussion. You seriously need to find a place to vent your spiritual anger. You're more angry than Midge. Go take some prozac or something.
    I'm sure she posted it to prove a point, one way or another. So, what's your point?

    Is your god so weak that he needs you to speak up for him all the time??

    How sad.

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    I'm sure she posted it to prove a point, one way or another. So, what's your point?

    Is your god so weak that he needs you to speak up for him all the time??

    How sad.
    I'm not a confrontational person, peewee. I'm always answering your questions concisely, and without a snappy undertone. I wasn't defending "my God" one way or another with my previous statement. I don't understand why you're so angry about my beliefs. Go find another message board that has angry Christians to argue with. This is a "Spurs" message board. Not a "Religion" message board. I if it were a Religion message board I wouldn't be here. I get enough of that on a daily basis. So step the off.

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    stupid

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    I don't know God, but all of the s I've killed have met him for sure.

    Yippie Ki-Yay Mother er.

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    I'm sure she posted it to prove a point, one way or another. So, what's your point?

    Is your god so weak that he needs you to speak up for him all the time??

    How sad.

    I wasn't proving any point.

    Like Ashbeeigh said, I just posted it because I happened to see a commercial for 20/20 and since you don't really hear that much discussion about , I thought maybe some people would like to watch the show.

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    I wasn't proving any point.

    Like Ashbeeigh said, I just posted it because I happened to see a commercial for 20/20 and since you don't really hear that much discussion about , I thought maybe some people would like to watch the show.
    Thanks for the heads up.

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    Religion has made On Earth possible.

    I urge everyone to read:

    God Is Not Great: How Religion Poisons Everything by Christopher Hitchins.
    If he only knew.

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    Using God as the reason why we have wars on the planet is pretty easy. More people have died in the name of God then for any other reason. Sad but true. Still if God wasn't the reason another reason would take its place. Primitive man killed one another to defend territory. Mankind will always have wars and violence and all of that junk not for the sake of God but because thats just how we are. If God wasn't the reason something else would suffice. The trick is tolerance, if people could learn to tolerate what others believe and not kill one another cause your God isn't as powerful as mine, or not start threads just to get people going back and fourth, though it has been amusing, then all would be as right as rain. Well as right as it could be, were only human after all.

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    sometimes, i envy Europe

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    sometimes, i envy Europe
    You and me both.

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    I wasn't proving any point.

    Like Ashbeeigh said, I just posted it because I happened to see a commercial for 20/20 and since you don't really hear that much discussion about , I thought maybe some people would like to watch the show.
    Sorry about that S y, I misunderstood the post.

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    I doubt you'd say that if you've been there.

    Was there a few months ago. WTF is up with no air conditioning? And their teeth!! No thanks.

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    I'm not a confrontational person, peewee. I'm always answering your questions concisely, and without a snappy undertone. I wasn't defending "my God" one way or another with my previous statement. I don't understand why you're so angry about my beliefs. Go find another message board that has angry Christians to argue with. This is a "Spurs" message board. Not a "Religion" message board. I if it were a Religion message board I wouldn't be here. I get enough of that on a daily basis. So step the off.
    You and your Christian friends tried to take over this thread with your Christian propaganda. This thread was started as a thread for me and the troll "GOD" to talk to each other. We had been having fun doing that very same thing. It was all bull . Then, you guys started with a Christian discourse.

    So, who were the angry ones.

    All I did was to respond to you guys everytime you posted

    If you "get enough of that ona daily basis", well then maybe you shouldn't be bringing it up. You could choose to turn the other way. But, that's just too hard for you to do, isn't it?

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    Using God as the reason why we have wars on the planet is pretty easy. More people have died in the name of God then for any other reason. Sad but true. Still if God wasn't the reason another reason would take its place. Primitive man killed one another to defend territory. Mankind will always have wars and violence and all of that junk not for the sake of God but because thats just how we are. If God wasn't the reason something else would suffice. The trick is tolerance, if people could learn to tolerate what others believe and not kill one another cause your God isn't as powerful as mine, or not start threads just to get people going back and fourth, though it has been amusing, then all would be as right as rain. Well as right as it could be, were only human after all.
    Great point Avitus. I agree with everything you said. But, it's hard to be tolerant of religions that think theirs is the only way (which pretty much covers all the religions in the world). I really am tolerant of others beliefs, as long as they can keep it too themselves.

    Wouldn't it be better living in a world without any religious beliefs at all??

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    Great point Avitus. I agree with everything you said. But, it's hard to be tolerant of religions that think theirs is the only way (which pretty much covers all the religions in the world). I really am tolerant of others beliefs, as long as they can keep it too themselves.

    Wouldn't it be better living in a world without any religious beliefs at all??
    Thats like saying wouldn't it be better living in a world without different cultures? While the prospect might be appealing ultimately it would be very boring and life needs excitement and diversity thats how things evolve to be bigger and better. Religion is important to many people and to many parts of the world. There is a lot of destruction due to religions but they can also be part of a greater good and help people, rather it is find peace in there lives, or keep food in there stomachs.

    Tolerance is something that is very lacking. Most religions believe theres is the only way which is true and I cant argue that. My religion (and yes I am religious) believes that too. Christianity is a big thing in this country and they are there are Christians out there who are constantly telling you and me and everyone else that we are going to . It upsets me, and a lot of people. The important thing that I notice is missing is that if your a Christian you are supposed to love everyone as a brother/sister and I dont see that going on to much. Especially if you look at history. Christianity in its true form is about peace, so are most religions, peace with oneself, with others, and with God. Though I never see that. The only ones that seem to got the peace thing down are the Buddhist.

    Myself I'd never try to impose my religion on others, its my choice to believe in what I believe and if you dont believe in it as long as you are cool with me I'm cool with you. I think if people just accepted us all for each other and remembered that we are all supposed to be brothers and sisters we'd all get along.

    Though I think I got high hopes there to be honest cause you know as well as I do that people will always try to enforce there opinions and beliefs on you rather you want to hear about it or not.

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    Wouldn't it be better living in a world without any religious beliefs at all??
    Imagine that.

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    Ever see that Episode of South Park? "My... Science..."

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    You and your Christian friends tried to take over this thread with your Christian propaganda. This thread was started as a thread for me and the troll "GOD" to talk to each other. We had been having fun doing that very same thing. It was all bull . Then, you guys started with a Christian discourse.

    So, who were the angry ones.

    All I did was to respond to you guys everytime you posted

    If you "get enough of that ona daily basis", well then maybe you shouldn't be bringing it up. You could choose to turn the other way. But, that's just too hard for you to do, isn't it?
    My original post was to clarify your view of "Christians." I was never confrontational. If you need a refresher here it is:

    No one knows what happens after death. As Christians we choose to believe in a higher power, a higher place, and a higher purpose, not a fear. Or at least that's how I choose to see it. I don't fear anything. I cannot, as a Christian, wait for the day that I die, for whatever reason it is, to see God, Jesus, and all that other spiritual crap that you claim some Christians are "afraid of" and to finally breathe a sigh of relief because I will have finally arrived in his kingdom, not ours.

    A lot of people know I moved to Dallas for the summer to work with kids in the inner city, what y'all don't know is that it's a church sponsored program. I see God, His will, and the way working every single day, and I will challenge each and every one of you non-believers to come up to 547 East Jefferson Blvd from tomorrow to August 8th to see the proof. There are more then 1100 children you can see these workings through.
    I was going to turn the other cheek, but when you started to insult theroc5's posts I thought I needed to clarify a few things. I did that in my one post. You started the confrontation with your "Muslim fundamentalist" and "Crusade" stuff.

    As far as my beliefs, I just have faith in it. If you don't have the same faith I do there's no need for you to beat my posts to death, repeatedly. I'm done. You and G.O.D. can go about your business.

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    Thats like saying wouldn't it be better living in a world without different cultures? While the prospect might be appealing ultimately it would be very boring and life needs excitement and diversity thats how things evolve to be bigger and better. Religion is important to many people and to many parts of the world. There is a lot of destruction due to religions but they can also be part of a greater good and help people, rather it is find peace in there lives, or keep food in there stomachs.

    Tolerance is something that is very lacking. Most religions believe theres is the only way which is true and I cant argue that. My religion (and yes I am religious) believes that too. Christianity is a big thing in this country and they are there are Christians out there who are constantly telling you and me and everyone else that we are going to . It upsets me, and a lot of people. The important thing that I notice is missing is that if your a Christian you are supposed to love everyone as a brother/sister and I dont see that going on to much. Especially if you look at history. Christianity in its true form is about peace, so are most religions, peace with oneself, with others, and with God. Though I never see that. The only ones that seem to got the peace thing down are the Buddhist.

    Myself I'd never try to impose my religion on others, its my choice to believe in what I believe and if you dont believe in it as long as you are cool with me I'm cool with you. I think if people just accepted us all for each other and remembered that we are all supposed to be brothers and sisters we'd all get along.

    Though I think I got high hopes there to be honest cause you know as well as I do that people will always try to enforce there opinions and beliefs on you rather you want to hear about it or not.
    Well said, Avitus. I agree that culture, or cultural diveristy, is essential. We can't all be the same and expecting others to be the same leads to misunderstandings and, in fact, war. But, I think that culture can survive the end of religiostiy. They are not dependent of one another. They are very independent of each other. Regional differences make this world great. But we don't need to have religion to have different cultures in the world. Cultures come about from having to adapt to a given environment differently from another group belonging to a different geological environment.

    I appreciate that you have your faith. And, I appreciate that you don't try to enforce your faith to others. I respect your view, but I still believe that this world can do with out religion.

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    I was going to turn the other cheek, but when you started to insult theroc5's posts I thought I needed to clarify a few things. I did that in my one post. You started the confrontation with your "Muslim fundamentalist" and "Crusade" stuff.

    As far as my beliefs, I just have faith in it. If you don't have the same faith I do there's no need for you to beat my posts to death, repeatedly. I'm done. You and G.O.D. can go about your business.
    Once again, it was a bull thread until you put in your Christian propaganda.

    And, you felt a need to "clarify a few things" when I insulted theroc5's posts?? That's where you went wrong.

    I didn't realize you had to rush to his defense.
    He must be as weak as god.

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    Thats true what you said about some cultures, but some are influenced by religions. Tibet for example, or India, and I'm sure if I thought about it I could name more, truth be told I've been drinking a few while watching this Soccer Game. I think the world needs religon but a more tolerant view of them and from them. Simple truth is some people need hope, and religion delivers that to both the wealthy and the poor. A lot of stuff has come from religion both good and bad and religions still bring a lot of stuff to the world both good and bad. For all the good charity given to countries, I can name bad intelligent design forced down people's throats. You gotta take the good with the bad I guess. Ultimately it comes down to what I said earlier, the world would be better if it was tolerant. You could never eliminate religion, but with education we could teach tolerance and then the world would truly be a better place. Though education would have to be improved :-/

    Dah well right? I think I've said all I can say here. I think we both have to one another. *shrugs* So hows the weather? Speaking of weather I think its controlled by Superman, not God nor Science. ;-)

    *had to edit this.... think I've had a bit more then i've let on...

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    Thats true what you said about some cultures, but some are influenced by religions. Tibet for example, or India, and I'm sure if I thought about it I could name more, truth be told I've been drinking a few while watching this Soccer Game. I think the world needs religon but a more tolerant view of them and from them. Simple truth is some people need hope, and religion delivers that to both the wealthy and the poor. A lot of stuff has come from religion both good and bad and religions still bring a lot of stuff to the world both good and bad. For all the good charity given to countries, I can name bad intelligent design forced down people's throats. You gotta take the good with the bad I guess. Ultimately it comes down to what I said earlier, the world would be better if it was tolerant. You could never eliminate religion, but with education we could teach tolerance and then the world would truly be a better place. Though education would have to be improved :-/

    Dah well right? I think I've said all I can say here. I think we both have to one another. *shrugs* So hows the weather? Speaking of weather I think its controlled by Superman, not God nor Science. ;-)

    *had to edit this.... think I've had a bit more then i've let on...



    Maybe one unifying religion for all??
    I could live with that. I wouldn't go for it, but I could certainly tolerate a SINGLE religion that unites people throughout the world.

    Superman needs to bring winter now!!!

    It's too ing hot.
    My air condition is on 24/7 and I'm gonna pay up the ass . . . literally.

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    A unifying religion would eventually split up into several "true religions."

    All Superman is good for lately is making it rain endlessly...

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