Scola > Oberto + Bonner

[ShoogarBear]

Goldamn, whottt is on fiyah.

[ShoogarBear]

The best part of the trade with the Rockets is it'll make ArgScolaFan post less. The less of his clueless takes, the better. Now he'll just be an illiterate version of ploto bemoaning the loss of another soft post player that can't rebound.

Can't wait until ArgRockheadsFan starts posting about how T-Mac and Yao are holding Scola's stats down.

[inconvertible]

My 2 bobs worth. Scola has the type of game that translates well to a Euroleague setting, a slow it down grind against similar size/speed defenders. Hes a one position player, too slow to rotate on to 3's and hes barely 6'9" in shoes with T-Rex arms so he wont be able to man up the Centre. He and Oberto are different players, Oberto can, and is willing to play off the ball and complements Duncan well - Scola on the other hand is only effective with the ball in his hands, how could he possibly fit in here. He and Yao will need to work out a bit of an understanding, they both like to post up on the block but they wont be able to make that formidabble hi lo combo at the 4-5.

posting and controlling tempo=championships. now they have 2 guys that can pass from deep in the post.......to Tmac..... .

[tmtcsc]

Parker had just came into Puberty. Scola has won at the World Championship level, Olympic level and Euro level. Scola is going to be a solid role player for Houston. He already has big game experience. Bonner doesn't have .

What has Scola won WITHOUT Manu and Fab on the roster ? I bet its a smaller list.

[Mr. Body]

What has Scola won WITHOUT Manu and Fab on the roster ? I bet its a smaller list.

Euroleague MVP.

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Euroleague MVP.

But, his team didn't win Euroleague, and never his team won without Manu and Fab in Argieteam or without Fab in the Tau.
With Fabs like started the Tau won all championships. With Scola like started the Tau didn't win any le.

The question is:What has Championship Scola won WITHOUT Manu and Fab on the roster?Nothing!

Yeakes, yes! a KingSpain'sCup craps.

Enough with Scola!!!Scola's a Houston Rockets player! damn.Oberto and Bonner are our guys. C'mon!

[ArgSpursFan]

But, his team didn't win Euroleague, and never his team won without Manu and Fab in Argieteam or without Fab in the Tau.
With Fabs like started the Tau won all championships. With Scola like started the Tau didn't win any le.

The question is:What has Championship Scola won WITHOUT Manu and Fab on the roster?Nothing!

Yeakes, yes! a KingSpain'sCup craps.

Enough with Scola!!!Scola's a Houston Rockets player! damn.Oberto and Bonner are ours guys. C'mon!

Scola seems to play better if He´s not the main guy.That been said,He´ll contribute more to the Rockets that what He did for Tau the last couple of seasons.
He wont have no presure at all,so He can focus on get the right spots off the ball,or off the pick and roll.

[Findog]

Suns were already a championship-contending team without Grant Hill. What makes you think they'll be worse off with him?

And, let's examine your other statement....

When the previous year's roster is:

PG Rafer Alston
SG Tracy McGrady (injured 10 games)
SF Shane Battier
PF Chuck Hayes
C Yao Ming (Injured 34 games)

With contributions from over-the-hill Juwan Howard & Dikembe Mutumbo, and unmotivated Bonzi Wells (when not injured), and Luther Head.

This year's potential roster:

PG Mike James
SG Tracy McGrady
SF Shane Battier
PF Luis Scola
C Yao Ming

With contributions from Rafer Alston/Aaron Brooks/Luther Head at guard, motivated Bonzi Wells at G/F, Chuck Hayes and Carl Landry as then "energy" PFs, Butler as the F/C, and Mutumbo as the veteran.

Bottom Line: The Suns aren't worse and the Rockets are significantly DEEPER and potentially much better.

They had Mike James before, that guy sucks and is overrated. For his first year in the League, how much of an upgrade over Juwan is Scola going to be? Not to mention that as dominant as Yao can be on the offensive end, he is an atrocious defensive liability. And while they were a tough, very good defensive team under JVG, do you see that continuing under Mr. Offense Only? I'm not saying they're not better, but as is always the case with them, you have to hold your fingers that Yao and T-Mac are going to stay healthy, the role players will mesh, and I'm sorry, but their defense is definitely going to backslide this year. I think Morey is doing a good job, but everything they've done so far is just on paper.

Brooks is a rookie, Chuck Hayes sucks, Rafer Alston sucks, and Jackie Butler is an unproven project.

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Reasons why I think that Scola won't be a good nba players :
- Nothing special on the physical end : not big, athletic, quick or strong.
- Won't be able to score in the post like he did in europe against long and athletic nba players. When he was defended by a player with a nba body in europe or with argentina NT, he has struggled.
- Without his low post scoring, Scola is an average offensive player. His jumpshoot is quite inconsistant.
- Average rebounder (it won't be a big problem in Houston given that others players are great rebounders)
- Bad defender. Awful post defender and average at best perimeter defender.
- Don't step up for big games. I don't know if it's because he is a choker or he is a limited player but he has been bad or average during big games these last two years.
- Finding his place in nba. Scola was the star of his team in europe. Tau's team was built around him. Will he be able to be a nba role player and do the blue collar things? Even if it's not the more likely solution, I can see him doing like Spanoulis and wanting to go back in europe after one year. He has a diva at ude.

To Bruno

[ginobili fan]

the Rockets are now the best teamin the dvision

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the Rockets are now the best teamin the dvision

Are you smoke pot? The Spurs, Suns and Mavs are the best.

[ginobili fan]

Are you smoke pot? The Spurs, Suns and Mavs are the best.

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[AFBlue]

They had Mike James before, that guy sucks and is overrated. For his first year in the League, how much of an upgrade over Juwan is Scola going to be? Not to mention that as dominant as Yao can be on the offensive end, he is an atrocious defensive liability. And while they were a tough, very good defensive team under JVG, do you see that continuing under Mr. Offense Only? I'm not saying they're not better, but as is always the case with them, you have to hold your fingers that Yao and T-Mac are going to stay healthy, the role players will mesh, and I'm sorry, but their defense is definitely going to backslide this year. I think Morey is doing a good job, but everything they've done so far is just on paper.

Brooks is a rookie, Chuck Hayes sucks, Rafer Alston sucks, and Jackie Butler is an unproven project.

Read the bottom line that you qouted me from. It says they're definitely deeper and potentially better.

I understand that the team with new pieces has to gell, and I understand that some of the acquisitions may not work out as planned. But, by getting added depth at each position the Rockets FO can figure out who makes the team better and then sell off the rest of those pieces to make up for other shortcomings.

For example, lets say Luther Head is the odd man out of the guard rotation and the Rockets have learned that they still can't count on Wells being good....so they flip Head for a G/F type.

Bottom Line: There is still a possibility that the Rockets do not improve in spite of their recent acquisitions....but they've reduced that possibility by addressing needs and adding depth at virtually every position.

They're putting themselves in a better spot to compete for a le, and they didn't break the bank to do it.

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Spurs fans are killing me

[ArgSpursFan]

. Scola was the star of his team in europe. Tau's team was built around him. Will he be able to be a nba role player and do the blue collar things? Even if it's not the more likely solution, I can see him doing like Spanoulis and wanting to go back in europe after one year. He has a diva at ude.

@ Bruno.
Scola always played better in the Arg.National team tham in Tau,reason why is that in the Argentinian National team he isn´t the main guy,we have Manu and Chapu as 1st two options.
In Houston it´ll be about the same,no pressure on him to score on every possesion,He can work and find open spots off the block and picks and rolls.
In other words,He can be way more productive in Houston tham what he was in Tau.

[hater]

Not really...

Spurs didn't do anything to improve, Suns (who Spurs didn't beat at full capacity) added Grant Hill, Mavs (who Spurs luckily didn't have to play) return their solid team, and Rockets just filled out their two-star roster with very credible scoring threats (James, Scola, and possibly Butler).

Spurs aren't in a prime position to repeat and aren't even really the favorites...no one is.

Grant Hill is finished, he has been for a loooong time.

and Scola will take a while to produce, very small tiny chance that he will be dominant at all, he wille be decent though.

and Butler???? gimme a break

[hater]

I do beleive Scola would be our 4th best player if he had come to Spurs. and we would have big 4 not big 3.

but oh well. time to stop crying and get over it Spur fans.

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@ Bruno.
Scola always played better in the Arg.National team tham in Tau,reason why is that in the Argentinian National team he isn´t the main guy,we have Manu and Chapu as 1st two options.
In Houston it´ll be about the same,no pressure on him to score on every possesion,He can work and find open spots off the block and picks and rolls.
In other words,He can be way more productive in Houston tham what he was in Tau.

I'm tired of your Scola post ...Are you the Scola's freaking manager?

[ArgSpursFan]

I'm tired of your Scola post ...Are you the Scola's freaking manager?

Nope,I just don´t think that Scola is such a bust like many blind homers are trying to make him look like.
The fact that the guy got traded and will make the Rockets better don´t mean that everybody should trash him now.Get over it,and for once think that our F.O ed up....................................AGAIN

[AFBlue]

Grant Hill is finished, he has been for a loooong time.

and Scola will take a while to produce, very small tiny chance that he will be dominant at all, he wille be decent though.

and Butler???? gimme a break

Funny....

"Done" players don't usually average 30MPG and have stat lines like 14.4PPG on 51% from the field, 3.9RPG, and 2.1APG.

And Scola doesn't have to be dominant...he's not the superstar on this team. He needs to provide scoring and toughness.

On Butler:

He may very well sit the bench much like he did with the Spurs this year and get let go at the end of the year....

BUT, I could also see a scenario where a big goes down with an injury or they decide to go with him ahead of a 42yr old Mutumbo after a strong training camp.

Why people scoff at a 22yr old F/C with good size, good BBIQ, and a knack for scoring is beyond me.

The bottom line on Butler is that he's no longer a Spur because he was in Pop's doghouse and he was owed more than the Spurs were willing to double in lux tax.

Just because he didn't work for the Spurs doesn't mean he is a piece of crap and it certainly doesn't mean he'll be a failure everywhere he goes.

He is talented and he will prove it before all is said and done...

[Bruno]

@ Bruno.
Scola always played better in the Arg.National team tham in Tau,reason why is that in the Argentinian National team he isn´t the main guy,we have Manu and Chapu as 1st two options.
In Houston it´ll be about the same,no pressure on him to score on every possesion,He can work and find open spots off the block and picks and rolls.
In other words,He can be way more productive in Houston tham what he was in Tau.

@ your

1) You don't know your NT team, it's kinda sad. Scola in the argentinian NT isn't the third option behind Nocioni and Ginobili. They are about at the same level but if I had to rank them it woudl be : 1)Manu, 2)Scola and 3) Nocioni.

2) Scola being better in Argentinain NT than in Tau is far from sure.

3) Scola situation will be different in Houston because he won't be the first low post option and because he will have way less shoot available than in Tau or with the NT.

[ArgSpursFan]

@ your

1) You don't know your NT team, it's kinda sad. Scola in the argentinian NT isn't the third option behind Nocioni and Ginobili. They are about at the same level but if I had to rank them it woudl be : 1)Manu, 2)Scola and 3) Nocioni.

2) Scola being better in Argentinain NT than in Tau is far from sure.

3) Scola situation will be different in Houston because he won't be the first low post option and because he will have way less shoot available than in Tau or with the NT.

I do know my Nat team,and if manu is in that team,them He takes the pressure off the rest of the guys(and that includes Scola).that didn´t happen in Tau.That been said..
Scola with no pressure>Scola with all the pressure.
Sorry,but keep trying.

[tmtcsc]

I do beleive Scola would be our 4th best player if he had come to Spurs. and we would have big 4 not big 3.

but oh well. time to stop crying and get over it Spur fans.

Bruce Bowen just called. He said "huh ?" to your Top 4 comment.

[wildbill2u]

You should read the whole history of that year. Yeah, they were losing. Having the team go bankrupt, and half the players quit will do that. Bonner wasn't one of the quitters. They figured out that he got salmonella because his electricity got shut off and he couldn't properly wash his dishes. He had eviction notices multiple times. He wasn't getting paid, so he couldn't pay his bills. He still never quit.

That doggedness, plus his overall smarts are why I want him on this team. Unlike JBut, he recognizes that his time isn't now, but is willing to wait. In 08-09, he'll be a rotation player.

I think Bonner will earn some meaningful playing time this coming season. Remember he lost a bunch of time in midseason due to injury. But the Spurs like his energy and 3pt shot.

Like many good shooters, he never had to play tough defense coming up through high school and college, but I believe he's such a willing worker that he'll develop defensive skills that Pop requires. They didn't give him that contract for nothing.