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and considerably less rebounds.
I don't doubt they did.
Money > good character witnesses.
and considerably less rebounds.
That reminds me of what Carr (an ABA Player) said when the leagues merged in 1976 and he got shipped to the Pistons of the NBA.
True, but they had to get rid of Butler too. And it turns out, rightly or wrongly, Butler's trade value at his salary was a negative.Now that I'm in the NBA, you can't call me Antoine Carr -- it's Abdul Automobile.
That's tough to buy if the Kings were willing to take him on. Why did the Kings want him if his value was negative? It's not a coincidence that when the Kings missed out on Butler, they went and signed a center in free agency.
Butler had value ... but the teams that wanted him couldn't absorb his contract without sending someone back. As it turns out, the Spurs valued the roster spot and the cash saved more than the draft picks they could have gotten if they traded the players separately.
Yes...the Spurs should have taken other teams crappy contracts for scrubs their non playoff teams have given up on, that they don't want, just to get an extra second rounder..and not have slots to sign players that can help the repeat...and pay the lux tax
Because that would have proved Holt is Mark Cuban, and that's really what the offseason is all about
By the end of this thread timvp will have convinced himself we turned down a #1 pick for Butler as well...
LMAO...the irony of all this is...
If the Spurs were that high on Scola...he would have wound up in Seattle...or Portland.
Mahinmi is going to help the Spurs win a championship next year? I know you have him pegged as the next David Robinson, but that's taking it too far even for you.Yes...the Spurs should have taken other teams crappy contracts for scrubs their non playoff teams have given up on, that they don't want, just to get an extra second rounder..and not have slots to sign players that can help the repeat...and pay the lux tax
Because that would have proved Holt is Mark Cuban, and that's really what the offseason is all about
By the end of this thread timvp will have convinced himself we turned down a #1 pick for Butler as well...
You should return to your takes on how Vaginis is really coming to the Spurs and how it was a CIA Pop move to put Scola in Houston so Duncan could destroy him four times a year. At least those takes were entertaining.
Or Cleveland . . .
Just out of curiosity....
How much does Travis Outlaw make?
Mahinimi could help the Spurs this year...
You have way too high of an opinion of Elson.
As of now, nothing.
How do we know the reason the trade fell apart WASN'T because the Kings signed Moore?It's not a coincidence that when the Kings missed out on Butler, they went and signed a center in free agency.
More than likely Cleveland was doing us a favor by pretending to be interested...that's the kind of help I could see an ex Spur Brass giving us...
I just think it's ironic that not a single one of the Spurs Family, even the non threatening ones...wound up with Scola...or Butler.
If they were as good as you think they were, and the Spurs truly believed that...those guys would have gone after them.
While someone outside of the family did.
Fact:
Spurs could have kept Scola and Butler instead of Bonner and Oberto...
They didn't...why? It's not because Bonner and Oberto were cheaper.
Seattle could have dumped Damien Wilkins...they have no offensive C, they have no polished and consistent post scorer...
Butler and Scola would have been a perfect fit and it would fit with Presti's desire to clean house...by getting rid of the old school Sonics...
It would have helped them...the pick would have been better...Seattle knows it's rebuilding, and the Spurs are in the last leg of the Duncan era...
The conclusion is escapable...
Scola and Butler suck....and those in the family know it. Figure it out.
Did they forget to tell Ferry?
And I don't know if you follow the Sonics, but they already have about 75 centers and two power forwards (Collison and Wilcox) locked into deals.
And there's a decent to good chance they'll end up playing Durant and Green and the 3 and the 4.
Travis Outlaw is restricted i assume?
And for Portland, I'm pretty sure they drafted this center guy. Not sure there.
Three of their best four players either player power forward or center (Oden, Aldridge and Frye). Not to mention having Przybilla locked up in a deal.
But yeah, let's see some more Godfather-esque takes.
All of which suck...just not as bad as Butler.And I don't know if you follow the Sonics, but they already have about 75 centers
They've got like two of them locked up for certain beyond this season...and two power forwards (Collison and Wilcox) locked into deals.
They also have a surplus of SF.
And there's a decent to good chance they'll end up playing Durant and Green and the 3 and the 4.
So let me get this straight...the Sonics don't have room or time for 25 projects...but we do?
Butler or Butler's replacement Mahinmi is a project. That's one. Perhaps Williams, White or Sanikidze. That's maybe two.
Who else is a project?
Bottomline is Butler and Scola were given away for a late second round pick in '09. Anybody trying to say that they were highly valued is smoking some great . Teams didn't see much collective value in the two. Navarro is an example of what happens when a Euro is valued, teams go after him. Maybe Scola will pan out. Maybe Butler will pan out but not because their is a lot of regard for either. Maybe those claiming that are so smart they should be made GMS. However, an NBDL player Amir Johnson got more action than Scola.
Well it's good to see you are starting to realize Scola and Butler's worth...And for Portland, I'm pretty sure they drafted this center guy. Not sure there.
Three of their best four players either player power forward or center (Oden, Aldridge and Frye). Not to mention having Przybilla locked up in a deal.
As in...the both of them combined aren't worth Chuck Hayes, much less any of the guys you mentioned.
I know this going to come as a shock to you since you are quite fond of them...but their first names are Beno and Francisco.
Now whottt is throwing his boy Francisco under the bus as well. The original next David Robinson who was going to carry this team to a championship in the playoffs.
@ a 31-year-old project. Maybe the Spurs should sign Kevin Willis to be the oldest project on record.
Hey...some guys are bigger projects than others.
I never said Elson didn't need to improve...it's possible to contribute and still be a project.
Elson has a lot of room for improvement.
You really think the Spurs did the trade for the second round draft pick? That's a new take.
The Spurs did it for the roster spot and the $$.
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