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I look forward to whottt's next dissertation, "The 10 Steps of Marcus Williams."
Anyway...I realized something last season...
I realized, and this was not easy to concede...that the Spurs FO is smarter than me...they are smarter than timvp and MB and baselinebum...and everyone on this forum.
When it comes to resourcefulness...they are second to none.
The only flaw I see in the Spurs FO...and what has lead to them getting owned by me in the past...is that they are so greedy when it comes to talent, they throw the baby out with the bath water...hence, Kidd.
Kidd was the only time I haven't seen them about 10 steps ahead of everyone on this forum...in offseason manuevering.
Now you think about that flaw, and think about their strenghts...
I look forward to whottt's next dissertation, "The 10 Steps of Marcus Williams."
Just out of curiosity, what move made you change your mind? Was it overpaying Denver's 12th man to watch him choke in the playoffs? Was it watching them sign a project out of New York and then give up on him 11 months later?
The Spurs have had some good summers but 2006 wasn't one of them. Salary dumping Rasho while at the same time getting quality pieces back was a fantastic move, but we all knew that at the time. Letting Nazr walk was pretty expected.
Other than that, the Spurs signed two centers who basically were a bust and a third string point guard who didn't screw up enough to cost the team a championship.
The Spurs have a good front office but 2006 wasn't the summer to be wowed.
The fact that they pulled the RFA card out of their pocket and played it to perfection...going after not one, but two RFA bigmen and getting them both...for pennies, on short term deals. That's Robert Horry as the clock expires perfection.
Elson is a great deal for the money he makes...I know you don't like him...but he's extremely talented.
Butler is not quite as good of a deal...people can say what they want about Isiah...but I wanted him hired as head North American scout when he gets fired from the Knicks. Still..just the fact they got a Knicks RFA for so little was impressive...that's not something you see done to the Knicks often.
And no one saw it coming...that they'd all of a sudden go to the RFA card...that they'd actually get both of them...with such little contracts.
And people can say what they want...but I didn't miss Rasho or Nazr last year...and I like Elson and Oberto better.
As for Scola...
You know...I don't think Manu and Scola like each other...Scola did not want to be here from the night he was drafted...he's got two teamates that love it here...and yet he wants no part of it...
I'd be willing to bet that they asked Manu which one would be a better fit for the Spurs and Manu told them Oberto...which one is more like Manu?
Oh and I don't think they actually wanted Butler and Elson...they wanted Elson, he's fast enough to guard Dirk. Butler was just the fall back, he is obviously the bigger project...they probably assumed Isiah was still high on Butler...because he was at one time...and LB was too.
And we do know Elson can stay with Dirk...
And BTW, timvp...you get props for jocking Butler like he's Wilt on one hand and then at the same time using his signing as an example of the Spurs being a crappy FO and unable to judge talent. That's covering both sides of the argument shamelessly...blatantly.
I OTOH...have never said Butler wasn't talented...he's just not a here and now player, he's a 5 years down the road player, he's also going to be a fitness issue for the rest of his career. And the Spurs have bigger needs.
And I don't ever expect you to like Elson...
I'll take Vaughn over Spanoulis every time - dude's a backup PG. We're not looking for a Tony replacement just a counterpunch.
I don't think you've picked up anything in the last week or so. Not at thing.
Well, if they hadn't wanted Butler, wouldn't it have made more sense to not sign him? If they only wanted to sign him if Elson fell through, why not try and wait a week?
I just think they weren't sure what they had in Oberto, so they potentially needed 2 guys, but on a budget. Those were the best guys on the market, so they took the plunge. You can debate how it turned out, but I don't see that they could have done anything better without overpaying for someone.
the word in houston is that spanoulis was a turnover machine and he couldn't play defense, and that drove van gungy crazy.
I'm not sure how much JVG knew about Spanoulis before he signed with the Rockets (did he play in the Summer Leagues in previous seasons?), but it doesn't sound like he had an open mind going into last season. This was posted over on ClutchFans right after the Rockets signed Spanoulis last July:
One source has told me for weeks that Jeff Van Gundy is not a big Spanoulis fan and can't figure out why Rockets brass is, so the "one" is going to be an interesting position to watch this year.
Because they were both restricted Free Agents and teams have like up to a week or two weeks to match offers.
I don't think they counted on much from Butler last season...but he obviously wasn't adapting to the program...
Butler has some nice offensive skills and seems like a good kid...but that's all he has going for him...and he's got nothing to contribute to a team contending for les. And it doesn't look like he was responding to anything Pop was asking of him...so the Spurs decided not to invest anymore time and effort into him.
It doesn't matter...it's they went after two restricted Free Agents and got them both...that's rare. Especially without overpaying for them. But I don't for a second think they were expecting Butler to contribute as much last season as Elson...hoping yes...expecting no.I just think they weren't sure what they had in Oberto, so they potentially needed 2 guys, but on a budget. Those were the best guys on the market, so they took the plunge. You can debate how it turned out, but I don't see that they could have done anything better without overpaying for someone.
I don't think they were expecting Butler to be a huge part of the rotation last year, but they also weren't expecting for his lazy ass to show up out of shape and not ready to play either.
When they saw he wasn't going to work out they figured out how to cut bait. They took a gamble on the guy, and he didn't work out, so they had to dump him. It's a risk that didn't pan out, so let's call it for what it was: a screwup; but I'd rather they throw him overboard now than carry him along on the bottom of the roster for another couple of years like Beno.
Butler will shine in HOuston under adelman. he made stars of Mark Bryant, jerome kersey for god sakes.
He didn't play summer league because he had national team obligations. JVG sealed his fate when he decided to play what was basically a seven man rotation leaving V-span and Novak on the bench among other players. This created a rift between him and the FO including the team owner.
V-span has deceptive speed. When you see him get to the basket you think no way this guy can do that on a consistent basis, but he does. He's big enough to finish or use his body to ward off defenders. JVG played this guy like he was Steve Kerr and never gave him a chance to create off the dribble which is V-span's strength.
I hope the guy does give it a go in the NBA because he never got a real shot in Houston.
I'd like for him to join the Spurs just so The Trade doesn't suck...that bad.
i think the spurs will make a trade in mid season and are gonna roll with the same team and if things need changing they will this time by the trade deadline.
Who will they deal?
tp 15 other point guards could have replaced tp and spurs still would have won the les
just ask findog
Barry will never be worth more than he will in February when his deal is a few months form expiring. A team also might be willing to take a low-risk half-season flyer on Beno at that point, as well.
The one thing about that theory is that the Spurs will have $20 mil coming off the books after next season, so they might be willing to take back a contract. Of course, they may prefer to enter next summer with some cap flexibility.
My guess is that while they won't take garbage back just to trade Barry and Beno, if they can get someone they really value, why not lock in a player for the stretch run as well as future seasons instead of waiting to roll the dice during the summer? The chance of a superstar falling into our laps over the summer is pretty low, and finding good supporting pieces can happen just as well in February as over the summer.
I don't know man. You would think the Spurs would lay it all out for the next couple of seasons while TD and Manu are still close to their primes.
manu is past his prime
If Duncan follows the path of Kareem and a number of other big men who don't depend on athleticism for their game, he could have another 5 solid years left. That says to me that you still need to build for the long haul -- 5 years is an eternity in sports. Even though guys like Splitter, Mahinmi, and Sanikidze may not help us this year or next, they may be key pieces of a le team before Timmy hangs em up.
I think an overlooked aspect of the Spurs' success over the last 5 seasons has been Ginobili. Once his career hits the wall, so will the Spurs' postseason runs. That's why the next 2 seasons are crucial, in my view.
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