Funny, The Cubs (even last season), Cards, Yankees, Red Sox, Angels, etc. have no problem attracting more than 15,000 on weekdays. That's a piss-poor argument.
Not straying from the subject, I'm not a fan of booing your home team, but Zambrano can't be surprised it's been happening to him. He's been playing like , and he knows it himself. The big problem here isn't the booing, it's that Zambrano hasn't grown up and plays WAY OVERBOARD with emotion. Emotion can be good, but not when every little thing affects what is supposed to be your star pitcher, who isn't supposed to unravel at anything.
ok if you want official attendance counts I can get them for you.
Looks pretty good to me
http://sportstwo.com/MLB/TeamAttendance/NL/HOUSTON
As far as Zambrano, the fans should respect anything he does and if is having a bad month booing isnt the answer. Emotion is good no matter anyway you look at it, he wants to win and your fans should respect that.
Attendance counts, I don't really put much faith in. Tickets sold isn't the same as people in seats, watching the game, all 9 innings.
And NO TEAM should put up with ANY PLAYER doing anything he wants. Sure, Zambrano is having a bad month, but that's not why the fans booed. The fans booed because he purposely put himself above the team (by blatantly running the stop sign, and by letting emotion get to his job performance (he doesn't pitch well when he is worked up, and over the past couple months he's gone from being a good hitter to three straight ugly swinging strikes, after which he breaks his bat on his knee). The fans are booing because day after day after day, Zambrano acts casual after he puts up a bad performance and does nothing about it, blaming it on anyone but himself (take a look at some of the post-game interviews he's done). Last night was a perfect example, saying how he's mad because he got booed instead of admitting he was ty.
Hmm... the guy I remembered had a stache I think too. Lemme look into it.
NO fan should boo thier own player no matter what happens. You know I like the cubs, I used to watch them growing up along with the Braves since they showed them on WGN and Braves on TBS, but when fans are out of control thats wrong. Just ask poor Steve Bartman, any other fan in his seat would have done the same thing he did. Fact of the matter was that the Cubs had EVERY chance to win that game but this poor guy can't show his face around there anymore and he was a loyal fan.
So the fans are supposed to put up with piss poor performance and lack of basic fundamentals, like, you know, LISTENING TO YOUR COACH!?
Man its baseball, it happens. Not every call goes the coach's way and your acting like this is the first time its happened. The fans shouldnt BOO thier home team period. What does that really accomplish. If I got booed in my hometown I would say screw you all, lets see how much you will boo me when im playing for another team beating the team I called home. Come on man, what good does it really do? It just pissed him off, yeah im sure he knew he sucked it up but what did he do when getting booed off the field? He pointed to his head gesturing ok I see how it is, I wont forget this.
Aw, while looking I found a great story for one of my fave all time players.
RIP DK.
Kile Tosses No-Hitter
When fans cheer, they let players know they like what they see. If fans boo, it means hey, get your act together. It doesn't mean the fans don't believe in you anymore. It doesn't mean the fans think you're a bad player. It does mean the fans care, though, and don't want to see you suck anymore.
This wasn't about a single bad performance, or simply a bad month, but about a pattern of behavior. The Cubs and Yankees aren't the only teams that have ever done this, either. I can't really blame Wrigley for being this way, too, because Wrigley Field hasn't hosted a World Series since WWII. Cubs fans are tired of losing, and tired of the same old every september, and are starting to show it.
I do respect your opinion though, and as said before, I don't myself boo the home team. I also see where many are coming from, though. And for the record, NO LEVEL OF PLAY deserves trash being thrown on the field as has unfortunately been done before at Wrigley.
Cards fans don't boo. Former players get rousing ovations, even if they left for the money. Matt Morris and Woody Williams both get big ovations still, even tho left left for the money (and Williams is a strobe).
Cards fans are so good that I have seen standing ovations for playings on the opposing teams after making amazing catches. I have witnessed it twice personally, once was for a Griffey Jr catch in center and the other was for a 3rd baseman diving in the dugout, but I forget who that was.
I too see your logic and do understand. As much as I hated Lidge when he was sucking and blowing saves left and right, I never boo'ed him and put my faith behind him all the time. Well at least your not the Yanks.....they boo and are ruthless and have won a series somewhat recently. Tired of losing but at least you guys are in a place to make playoffs.
From the CHICAGO TRIBUNE....
http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotr...no-meets-.htmlThe Carlos Zambrano apology tour returns to Wrigley Field on Tuesday when the Cubs right-hander holds a pre-game press conference to apologize for his actions on Monday.
In the original show, back on June 2 at Wrigley, Zambrano apologized for punching Michael Barrett in the face.
"It's all my fault, that's all I can say," he said of punching Barrett. "I feel bad because I have to be in control of myself."
This time Zambrano is expected to apologize for ripping Cubs fans and acting in an inappropriate manner while being removed from the game.
Zambrano is currently meeting with Cubs brass, and an announcement will soon be made regarding a briefing.
Fans boo Zambrano in Cubs’ loss to Dodgers
Ace loses fifth straight, can't ‘understand why the fans were booing at me’
CHICAGO - Carlos Zambrano heard the boos from the Wrigley Field faithful and pointed to his head. Esteban Loaiza had just gotten the Los Angeles Dodgers off to a win in his first try, while Zambrano remained winless for more than a month.
Loaiza allowed three runs in seven innings and hit a two-run single, leading the Dodgers over the Chicago Cubs 11-3 Monday.
“I will remember that,” Zambrano said of the fan reaction. “I don’t want to stink and (have) bad outings. I know the great moment of my career will come.”
Zambrano (14-12) lost his fifth straight start, giving up eight runs for the first time since June 22, 2005, at Milwaukee.
“I don’t understand why the fans were booing at me. I can’t understand that,” Zambrano said. “They showed me today they just care about them. That’s no fair. Because when you are struggling, that’s when you want to feel, the support of the fans.”
He lasted 4 1-3 innings, his shortest outing since he went four innings against Cincinnati on April 13. He gave up seven hits and five walks.
Zambrano has a 9.56 ERA in three starts since the Cubs gave him a $91.5 million, five-year contract extension through 2012, and he is 0-5 with an 8.29 ERA in six starts since beating Cincinnati on July 29.
“We need Carlos to straighten out,” Cubs manager Lou Piniella said. “His stuff is plenty good. I liked his stuff today. I was expecting a really, really, banged up effort after seeing him come off the mound, and then all of a sudden he gives up a run. Loaiza gets a big base hit. That’s not Zambrano like.”
Loaiza (1-0) was claimed off waivers from Oakland on Wednesday, with the Dodgers assuming more than $8 million in guaranteed salary this year and next. He did not pitch this season until Aug. 22 due to a bulging disk in his neck, and the two-time All-Star was 1-0 with a 1.84 ERA in two starts with the Athletics.
This Cubs team should be boo-proof
August 5, 2007
The subhead, from the front page of the Saturday sports section of the biggest newspaper in the Midwest, was subaccurate:
"New York torches Dempster again; players rip booing fans"
"Rip" is Lee Elia dismissing bleacher dwellers as unemployed performers of deviant acts. What a few Cubs did was express a completely understandable opinion about a fan reaction that, from this seat, was less so.
"We didn't rip anybody," Cliff Floyd said. "We were asked a question about the booing that we heard, and we pretty much answered that we were disappointed they were booing somebody of Demp's stature."
The disappointment, I get. The booing, not so much.
Who Shall We Boo Now?
2005-05-28 13:02by Derek Smart
Rumors of the Cubs shopping LaTroy Hawkins have been going around for a while now, and they finally came to fruition today as he was dealt to the Giants in exchange for Jerome Williams and David Aardsma.
I've been asked already if I think this is a salary dump or a sign of the team punting the season, and while it's a legitimate question, I believe the answer is an emphatic, "No."
The Cubs are getting generally solid work from the young guns in the pen, and with the fan base completely turning on Hawkins, making his life a living every time he came to the mound at Wrigley - even in the meaningless situations he was used in at the end - the team was left with little choice than to try to get what they could for him.
Jim Hendry did well getting what he did, especially in light of recent events. Assuming that Williams isn't injured (his extremely rough start in AAA has folks like John Sickels speculating about injury, but he also got a late start to the year due to family illness, so pick one that makes you feel good and go with that for now), and he can get himself throwing well again, he could help the Cubs get through some of their current issues in the starting rotation. If not, he's nice to have around to compete for a fifth starter's job down the line, or act as the sixth starter waiting his turn in Iowa.
Aardsma not only has the distinction of displacing Hank Aaron at the top of the alphabetical list of Major League players, he's also a legitimate closing prospect, having spent a good deal of his time at Rice finishing ballgames. He has control issues, but he strikes guys out and doesn't give up the long ball, so with a little more minor league time, he could turn into a very useful part of a future Cub pen.
I'm both happy and sad for LaTroy, sad that he was treated with such disdain by Cub fans (booing is for slackers and jagoffs, not for players who work hard but struggle), but happy that the team could find a way to get him to a place where he had a chance to succeed, and do so while getting a decent return.
Saturday August 4
BOOOOO!!!
I have a right to boo...and I'm booing the fans at Wrigley who boo our Cub players for the wrong reasons. Everyone has the right to boo, but I believe you should only boo for lack of effort or bad mental mistakes.
Booing doesn't help poor performances. It adds to the pressure and erodes the confidence of the player even more. As a fan of the Cubs I do not want to hurt the chances of them winning. Some try to rationalize that booing helps. That it wakes up their team. There is no better booing town than Philadelphia--"The Home of Champions"...NOT!!!
Please Boo like crazy for lack of hustle, but lay off the guys that are giving it all they have and are struggling.
D. Lee and Cliff Floyd were disappointed at the booing of Ryan Dempster yesterday. Think about it...the Cubs have the best record in baseball since the beginning of June and this is the kind of encouragement they get when they lose a couple of games?
MIKE KILEY ON THE CUBS Boo birds rattled Sosa's cage, too
Chicago Sun-Times, Jul 29, 2005 by Mike Kiley
Manager Dusty Baker says one of Sammy Sosa's conflicting issues with him last year was that Baker couldn't get Cubs fans to stop booing the right fielder.
That was one of the things that really upset Sammy at the end when he was here," Baker said Thursday. One of the things he was upset about was that I didn't stop them from booing. I didn't know how I was going to do that."
Sosa wasn't the lone ranger in drawing the fans' ire. Corey Patterson, LaTroy Hawkins and Baker himself have been subjected to their share.
You saw it with Corey, with Hawk, with me," Baker said. It's something that seemed like it was growing."
Congratulations, Mike. You've shown your internet skills are greater than anyones (though, you don't provide any links, very bad internet etiquette.
However, you have yet to prove a damn thing. Does booing make Cubs fans suck, is that what you're implying? Does the beer atmosphere make Cubs fans suck? Does Wrigley Field falling down make the Cubs fans suck?
Or, is it the fact that you're pissed off that a team that was the worst in the NL last year and has a crappy condemned stadium full of rude drunks is in first place, over your team crappily managed by a drunk driver, a brand new stadium, and so full of themselves they pronounce themselves the best fans in baseball?
Nice try at throwing a smoke screen. Hey, I have an idea. Since everyone is dogging your team right now why don't you try to make someone else look worse so it doesn't make you look so bad? Typical scrubbie fan. Do you boo your mom, too?
Yeah, they drink. Nice try. No other ballparks serve beer, and no other fans get drunk. That MUST be true, because they only other fans in the MLB that have the reputation for booing their own besides the scrubs are the yanks. The beer atmosphere... what kind of stupid comment is that? I really hope you are tired and that is not the best you could come up with. By the way, I know you already know but I'll say it anyway, the Busch in Busch Stadium comes from Anheuser-Busch. They make Bud, among other things. But no one at the stadium actually DRINKS it. Only at scrubbie games. See, A-B purposefully sends all their beer to chitown so the idiot fair wether scrubbie fans will get drunk and boo their own players on a regular basis. But they don't want it to happen anywhere else. Good lord you are dumb.
I have nothing to be pissed about. We don't have a single starting pitcher that would be in anyone else's top 3, have lost our 3b and 2b to injuries as well, have a stadium that isn't raining concrete on its fans, have the best most knowledgable fanbase in all of sport, have a payroll about 10 mil less than the scrubbies, have fans that don't boo their own with regularity and a record right around .500 after having been as many as 8 under within the last month. All this, and we are about a game out of 1st place. Ooooh, I'm livid.
Oh, and last time I checked we got a ring too (not to mention around 9 and another dozen or so pennants since your last ring. Were you alive then? Boy it sure is nice when your team wins 1 in your lifetime, and even better when they win a 2nd).
If you want a flame war, you better stick to the college board because your baseball shtick is lame. , the strobe fans on here put you to shame.
Last edited by MajorMike; 09-04-2007 at 09:45 PM.
yeah i have to tip my hat to the cards this year. how they are even .500 without carpenter and mulder is amazing.
i was also kind of surprised earlier this year Pence hit his first home run... it was a grandslam and i heard a lot of cards fans cheering for him. granted the astros were already up by like 5 runs.
as for the booing zambrano thing. it's a two way street but ive never seen any astros fan boo Oswalt. Jennings however is a different story.
Its not just Mulder (who is supposed to pitch tmrw) and Carpenter. I defy you to find any team in baseball with as many All Stars and key players out as the Cards have who are still anywhere near being in the race.
Chris Carpenter SP Elbow Out for the season
Scott Rolen 3B Shoulder Out for the season
Adam Kennedy 2B Knee Out for the season
Preston Wilson RF Knee Out for the season
Juan Encarnacion RF Head Out for the season
Josh Kinney RP Elbow Out for the season
Mark Mulder SP Shoulder DL 15-day DL. Expected to return for first time Sept. 5 start vs. Pittsburgh
Scott Spiezio 3B Placed on Restricted List
Josh Han P Deceased
Additionally, Edmonds and Eckstein have both spent considerable time on the DL and Pujols has been playing over a month with a hamstring injury. If the Cards were truely out of it, Pujols would be on the DL. If the Cards take a nosedive, Tony will put him on the DL immediately.
i miss the stros/cards postseason matchup, always made for a great series. the threads were better, too.
You're milking that one. Rolen & Carpenter are big losses - no doubt.
But Miles is actually an upgrade over Kennedy. Wilson & Encarnacion are league average players at their very best - and actually below league average this year (WELL below average for Preston).
And everybody knew about Mulder's problem when they signed him, so you can't pass that off as a bad luck injury.
Agreed. Memories of Big Al blowing up Lidge.... good times.
has that ball even landed yet?
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