Well of course. I see your point, but as far as I can see, from this one case, the boys and little sister are American. She mentioned when they turn 21 they can.... which may be why she was left here. The boys were American...which is another problem I see. All these children are born in the united States...draining more social service funds, health, education, etc. And coming from a 4th generation Czech American who's ancestors did everything the right way... I become offended.
Yet again, agreed. At least it's a lot more defined in the United States than it is in Latin America.People keep talking about human rights. What in the
world is human rights? Someone care to explain that
to me.
Exactly. And then there's that double standard where illegals want some things that citizens work for all their lives and get it right away, scholarships, insurance, mortage help.I think that kind of stuff bothers me more than the whole visa thing. I don't too much agree with the loosing of amnesty for work visas, they take the risk, I'm so sorry.
Jesus Christ was an immigrant. His parents immigrated to Egypt for a while. And, he also moved from Bethlahem to Nazareth to Jerusalem.Exactly. And then there's that double standard where illegals want some things that citizens work for all their lives and get it right away, scholarships, insurance, mortage help.
I wonder what kind of resources Jesus and his crew were draining with each place he emigrated to.
Jesus would have pissed you off.
Maybe he was being paid by a company to get those numbers so that company could use them for their illegal workers and not get caught by Uncle Sam?
The big problem is that the immigration problem has been going on for some time now and now we are rushing to fix it with what seems like stop-gap measures. I don't have the answers, nobody does I think but rushing to judgement without thinking things out got us in the mess we are now.
This country was built on immigration, hence the term "melting pot"....my ancestors came over legally though through Ellis Island. I am not sure what we do with the illegals already here....I am sure that as you find businesses that hire them, you fine those businesses so much that it makes examples for other companies not to hire them. You reduce or eliminate the reason they come across they will stop or diminish significantly. Another problem is not the US government, it is Mexico's corrupt government, we need to find a way to help Mexico help itself so their people will stay and work there.
He may have.
Nice attempt; however, unfortunately for your point, Syria, Iudaea, and Aegyptus were all provinces of the Roman Empire back then.
Yeah if you guys the world would be better off w/o insects, you guys are delusional.
Xray, could you please show me where in the Cons ution it says only citizens have human rights?
Remember that little thing, Xray?
"All men..."
Not citizens, but all men.
And before we continue, just remember what you originally said.
So is it only citizens that have those human rights?
Too bad we don't live in a UTOPIA....
If we did, our world would disintegrate 'ala the Matrix... humans need conflict, strife, power struggles, boundaries and a lack of equanimity to exist...
That's why I mentioned that it is our social welfare program that needs the most reform.... I'm sick of lazy people feeling en led to benefits and money simply because they are American Ci zens... People simply can't fathom just how vast of a tax-drain this particular problem poses on our economy.
I'll quit "demonizing" them when they quit coming into the country and ing up social security, the welfare system, and raising crime levels. Hear about the execution style shootings in New Jersey? One of the suspects was an illegal immigrant. Interesting.
So kick THEM out.
We don't have room for extra felons.
Unfortunately for your theory, the vast majority of undo ented workers are not gang bangers, or thugs.
Making them come forward from the shadows would get rid of this, seriously make them go through a background check and criminal history, they knew this guy had a criminal background.Hear about the execution style shootings in New Jersey? One of the suspects was an illegal immigrant. Interesting.
I don't give a if the vast majority of WORKERS are not thugs, there are too many illegal aliens in this country PERIOD who are thugs. I don't care if Americans pose the same threat, at least immigrants' crimes can be prevented, if they come in illegally.
Also, a load of those undo ented workers probably don't pay taxes and have a fake SS. Bye bye, social security.
You guys want them to have rights in this country? Tell them to start acting like American citizens and paying taxes like the majority of Americans in this country.
That is the worst part about the whole thing.
If they have a fake SS, then they are paying Social Security taxes, which are withheld from their pay, despite their (rightfully) being ineligible to collect.
We still need a comprehensive immigration policy, but your point is nonsensical.
Didn't think about that, but at the same time, what if it's your social security number?
Yeah, I've never heard of an American Citizen committing a crime. Like those two aholes who had just been released from prison and went on a home invasion and killing spree. Interesting indeed.
Gee, I think I pointed that out in another post. Like I said, ILLEGAL immigrants' crimes shouldn't even exist, because they are here ILLEGALLY and shouldn't be here in the first place. Their crimes should be quite preventable. Our stupid "justice" system is a whole other argument.
Our stupid "justice" system if the best in the world, IMO. Is it perfect? No, but neither is our immigration system. I don't have any problem with enforcing the laws as we have them now.
Crimes shouldn't even exist at all but not everyone is going to play by the rules and they never will. Even if you were to remove every illegal immigrant you are not going to elminate crime. Will it lessen. Sure, but becuase of less population. Not because people's tendency to commit crime lessens.
That is just me though.
I understand your frustration.
Sorry Joe. Our justice system blows. Gonzalez chokes on wang 24/7.
I think our justice system has critical flaws in it. For instance, the situation you mentioned. It probably is better than most others, though.
I agree with you, but to me, a lot of headache and unneccessary occurrences could be avoided if stricter borders and laws were in place. I do, however, think the government should make the process easier for immigrants to become legal citizens. I think we could actually benefit from that. Like others said, they remain an integral part of our workforce.
I concur. I do believe that if we would enforce our borders and laws as they are now things would change. A lot of the problem is that many immigranst simply don't have the do entation that we as Americans take for granted. Many are born and not do ented so they have no "legal papers" stating who they are such as a birth certificate.
Now granted, I don't know all the redtape there is to get into this country but I don't get why as an American I can pay $100 for a passport and get into almost any other country in the world.
I just find it hard to be "cold blooded" or whatever and just have the "deport them all" or "that's too bad" at ude towards my fellow man. But I guess there comes a time for tought love for us all.
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