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Who is "you?" Black QBs or all QBs? In my opinion, get criticized unfairly at times because of their position. Not because of thier race.
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Yes, I did as well.
Who is "you?" Black QBs or all QBs? In my opinion, get criticized unfairly at times because of their position. Not because of thier race.
Since when has the opinion of a Redskin fan been important?
And I'm surprised at how you can get this far in life without learning to properly spell.
Dude, your arguments aren't any better then anyone elses on here. You just seem to think you're right regardless of what others say.
So you're saying that you're a Black QB in the NFL who gets criticized unfairly and have to do extra? Seems like you are. If not, then why are you arguing this again???
There are plenty of white QB's that have underperformed, but the media would still stick up for them. Like Kerry Collins for instance. He is dog . Always has been. He was really sucking in NY, when he ended up going to the Raiders, and the media was constantly talking about how he is going to have a huge season, and he was actually tier than he ever was in NY. Then he goes to Tennesse, and media said he would do well over there, and he ed up the ans season, only to have Vince Young nearly dig them out of a hole and get them into the playoffs (which he probably would have, had he been starting the entire year). Give me a break.
Tell me this... again, if Kerry Collins was black, do you honestly think he would have started for two years in Oakland, then go to Tennessee, and somehow start over Vince Young over there? After those years in Oakland, he would have been out of the league, no question about it.
If you have to stoop so low so as to use the "spelling insult" to "win" an argument, then you are simply pathetic.
As far as I'm concerned, you have no argument regardless. You just spout off a bunch of nonsense that adds nothing to the discussion.
When Elway came into the league he nearly quit after just one season because of all the media pressure put on him in Denver and nationally. He's said this time and time again in interviews. He didn't want to talk to anyone, see anyone and didn't want to play anymore.
Must be racism.
Point is, you can keep throwing out all these examples and someone can throw one right back at you. This argument cannot be settled and is just a matter of perspective and opinion............oh wait, your opinion is never wrong, my bad.
Tough guy.
Is it really stooping low when I'm just pointing out what an idiot you are?
Also, if I have no argument and I add nothing to a discussion, why do you respond to every single post I make in the NFL forum?
nevermind, I just remembered how tough you are.
I have seen plenty of those same white QB's get hammered by the same media. I think Kerry Collins would have started in Oakland and Tennessee because those teams were desperate for anything at the QB spot. The only thing stopping Fisher from starting Young immediately was the fact that he was a rookie and he was hoping to let him learn like McNair did when he started. Personally I never thought much of Collins. He had one decent year in Carolina and in NY but in both cases, it was a strong defense that carried those teams.
Any QB regardless of race is going to be unfairly scrutinized (Hope I spelled that right John) because of the position. There is no proof that a coach or an owner is holding a player back solely on race. I think it did happen in the NFL for decades until guys like Warren Moon, Doug Williams and Randall Cunningham proved that given the chance, black QB's could do well. , Randall never took the Eagles to the Super Bowl and they loved him there. I think we can all agree that Andre Ware sucked hind in the NFL and it wasn't because he was black. He was criticized heavily for his lack of success but not because he was black, but as a first round pick, he underacheived....the same exact criticizism was heard for David Klingler who was white. Tim Couch heard the same stuff as Akili Smith...both 1st round picks, both busts.
I will repeat what I said earlier. I like McNabb...I think he is a of a quarterback and would love him on my team. (Too bad TO is there now!
I don't think he needs to "shut his mouth". He has a right to voice his opinion. I have the same right to disagree. Doesn't take away from the fact that I think he is a of a player.
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The biggest critics of black quarterbacks are typically members of the black community, including black members of his own team. McNabb would have less trouble as the leader of an all white team than he would as a leader of an all-black team.
The media pressure's on Donovan this year, because he's now the best NFL quarterback without a Super Bowl ring, right? Last year, the guy that "couldn't win the big one" played for the Colts.
I agree with this, but Peyton still never had to deal with the McNabb has had to put up with. His only label was that he couldn't win the big one.
McNabb has that label as well and
He's had a player question his toughness in the media.
Had a NAACP activist question his "blackness".
Had fans cheer for the backup to replace him.
Had a famous radio personality say he was overrated because he was black on national television.
Had an entire Philly radio station dedicated to criticizing him and trying to run him out of town.
And to date, even without the SB ring, he's been the most successful Eagles QB.
For the most part I thought he had handled all of that fairly well.
I would have flipped out long before that busted someones head open, but that's just me.
I don't think he ever said that he is only criticized because he is black.
Thats right. My opinion is not wrong. And yours isn't either. Like you said... they are opinions. In my opinion, it should be pretty obvious that race is at least somewhat used when making opinions on black QBs, as race is also somewhat used when making opinions on white basketball players. I guarantee that if Dirk Nowitzki was black, he wouldn't get criticized the way he does either.
Misspelling one word does not make someone an idiot.
If I am such an idiot, why do you respond to every single post I make in the NFL forum as well?
nevermind, I just remembered how much of a genius you are because spell better on an internet forum.
Good post.I have seen plenty of those same white QB's get hammered by the same media. I think Kerry Collins would have started in Oakland and Tennessee because those teams were desperate for anything at the QB spot. The only thing stopping Fisher from starting Young immediately was the fact that he was a rookie and he was hoping to let him learn like McNair did when he started. Personally I never thought much of Collins. He had one decent year in Carolina and in NY but in both cases, it was a strong defense that carried those teams.
Any QB regardless of race is going to be unfairly scrutinized (Hope I spelled that right John
I will repeat what I said earlier. I like McNabb...I think he is a of a quarterback and would love him on my team. (Too bad TO is there now!
I don't think he needs to "shut his mouth". He has a right to voice his opinion. I have the same right to disagree. Doesn't take away from the fact that I think he is a of a player.
And as successful as he has been, I think it's pretty amazing considering the talent that the team has constantly put around him on offense. And the one year he had a true weapon, he had a record setting season, one of the finest seasons a QB in NFL history has ever had. I would really like to see what he could do with Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne.
Yeah. who knows?
The Eagles FO got complacent since McNabb was able to make a lot of plays by himself and I guess they really thought that any receiver could step in and do the job because McNabb would take up the slack. The problem now is that McNabb can't do those things anymore because of his injury history, but even though they still don't have a true #1 receiver, what they have now is certainly better than Thrash, Pinkston and Freddie Mitc .
Fair enough, now we'll just go back to arguing about not related to race.
Touche.
I really don't know if that is true. I mean, this is unquestionably a more talented group, but they just don't seem as reliable. They drop WAY too many passes, and don't seem as comfortable in this system as Pinkston, Thrash, Mitc , and Chad Lewis (I loved that guy, he was a beast). And they don't seem to really try to get open to help McNabb. Once they are covered, they just sort of stand around, not really trying to find an open hole where McNabb can get them the ball. Then again, at the same time, its early in the season, the Eagles always start slow, McNabb has not been his usual self, and you can tell his knee is definitely not 100%.
That is a good article.
Racial Bias does NOT exist in the....uh....Media. Anyone who...uh...says it does is a moron!
Our Iverson skit was...uh...motivational!
Uh . . . ok.
None of the above examples show any organized media pressure. If one of his teammates bad mouths him, they are going to report it. Rush Limbaugh lost his job for saying what he said. Most of it comes from other people, and again, the media has to report it.
You also have forgotten Manning throwing his teammates under the bus after the playoff loss two years ago, and why? Because he won and because he isn't now 0-2 and complaining about how hard his life is.
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