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Since Chicago is a constant in both series, your brilliant theory is that the Utah Jazz consistently outdraws the Los Angeles Lakers on national TV.
This is what you are saying.
This is your solemn belief.
So you compare two finals series where one of the teams in both is the third largest market in the US and claim it as evidence that small market teams consistently outdraw large ones.
again.
It gets funnier every time I think about it!
Since Chicago is a constant in both series, your brilliant theory is that the Utah Jazz consistently outdraws the Los Angeles Lakers on national TV.
This is what you are saying.
This is your solemn belief.
The big market small market argument is re ed. people want emotion and controversy surrounding the players and teams and spurs are just lacking in thhat aspect.
They stand for the exact things that sports in general is against - intelligence and self-control.
FWD and Duncan228 - excellant points made. As a Spurs fan I could care less what the average fan wants and/or needs. But it's pretty sad to see that the game and how to play it the "right way" is secondary to the average fan. Once again we are back to the style over substance issue. And we all know how that one plays out across this country.
2007-08 national appearances for the teams sunfan used in his example:
LA Lakers (first round loser and completely unimproved in the offseason) -- 36
Utah Jazz (young Western Conference finalist that seemingly can only get better) -- 14
Indeed, they do not.
Bowen = "dirty"
Cowens = "fiery, passionate"
Simmons = "complete full of Boston "
Ratings = "important"
Sunsfan = "reaching" + "unoriginal"
Unbelievable. You want to talk about national tv appearances for the upcoming season now?
What the are you even talking about?
How many time are the Knicks on national TV this year? They're the largest market so they should get the most appearances according to you.
And what the does the popularity of the current Jazz team have to with the Stockton and Malone team from 1998?!! The current Jazz team has almost as big of a boring rep as the Spurs!
If the Bulls played the Jazz in the finals next year, would you expect the same ratings numbers from 1998? Why not? Its the exact same MARKET SIZES! People didn't watch because Chicago is a large market, they watched because Jordan vs Stockton/Malone was good basketball.
The fact remains that the ONLY times the NBA has had to make excuses for lackluster viewing has been when the Spurs were in the finals. And as I have shown, market sizes don't affect the ratings. Other smaller market teams like the Jazz and the Magic have proven it. The nation just finds the Spurs boring.
Game. Set. Match.
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37 > 14. Numbers don't lie.
11, which is obviously wildly out of proportion to any success they have had or could have this season. Why? Because you're an idiot.How many time are the Knicks on national TV this year? They're the largest market so they should get the most appearances according to you.
Except they don't.And what the does the popularity of the current Jazz team have to with the Stockton and Malone team from 1998?!! The current Jazz team has almost as big of a boring rep as the Spurs!
Same system they've had for 20 years.
You own yourself with every post.da_suns_fan__
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The Spurs are obviously very popular with you!
Thank you for your continued support!
And why is the network television popularity of some other team so vitally important to you personally?
Why are you so obsessed with the Spurs that you have to post here 1000 times?
I think the reason Tim Duncan gets this label is because outside of the Spurs fanbase, people generally aren't rooting for him. Sure, they may appreciate what he brings to the game and agree he's one of the best players on the court, but there are still 29 other teams people are out there rooting for. And if that team isn't the San Antonio Spurs, then I'm sure Tim Duncan probably bugs the out of some people.
I guess the best comparison I can draw is with Shaq. Albeit for different reasons altogether, Shaq has that quality to his game that makes it look ridiculously easy for him. He just bangs inside, bobbles up some ridiculous fling, and scores more often than not. Back when the Lakers were out taking numbers, it used to downright piss me off sometimes to watch Shaq just have his way inside, even though it looks like he isn't even trying.
Tim Duncan has the same quality, but with finesse instead of force. Everything he does looks completely simplified, and it's why he is one of the best power forwards to ever play. At the same time though, all of those drop steps and hooks and bank shots we've come to love and count on...Those are the bane of fans for twenty-nine other teams who have been stuck on the outside looking in every other year for the past decade. This guy just goes out there, cleans up his 20-10, and usually goes home a winner.
Sure, we all admire and appreciate the true Tim Duncan, because he's leading our team. And time will appreciate him well, because history doesn't pick favorites. As for everybody else, I don't expect them to give him the benefit of the doubt when it comes to his personality. And he shouldn't have to mold it to fit their perspective.
To them, he can just keep on being that guy burying them 2-11 times a year.
Your entire post was great.
This is the bottom line.
I tend to agree with the writer. The Spurs are boring. they fill ME with excitement, but I think the rest of the country just yawns. Tim would do the NBA a great service if he made himself a little more personable. Did a few commercials. Maybe even make fun of himself and dress up as Spock. Why not? If he doesn't want the money, he could donate it to charity.
I wish u would write more, then people might read it, da suns fan sucks! has NOTHING insightful to say since I have been here (a year or so) thanks for coming outUnbelievable. You want to talk about national tv appearances for the upcoming season now?
What the are you even talking about?
How many time are the Knicks on national TV this year? They're the largest market so they should get the most appearances according to you.
And what the does the popularity of the current Jazz team have to with the Stockton and Malone team from 1998?!! The current Jazz team has almost as big of a boring rep as the Spurs!
If the Bulls played the Jazz in the finals next year, would you expect the same ratings numbers from 1998? Why not? Its the exact same MARKET SIZES! People didn't watch because Chicago is a large market, they watched because Jordan vs Stockton/Malone was good basketball.
The fact remains that the ONLY times the NBA has had to make excuses for lackluster viewing has been when the Spurs were in the finals. And as I have shown, market sizes don't affect the ratings. Other smaller market teams like the Jazz and the Magic have proven it. The nation just finds the Spurs boring.
Game. Set. Match.
=Wilt Chamberland was no stand up comedian, and Larry Bird was about as entertaining as watching coach pop take a shower. Are they not both in the Hall of fame?=
Duncan does commercials...locally in SA. For his community. HEB, Gunn (I'm not sure if he's done Gunn lately.) I believe the $ does go into his Foundation.
He dressed up as a cruixan shaman at the Spurs tip-off luncheon last year.
He does adidas commercials and sometimes print ads.
It's not on Duncan to "do the NBA a great service."
It's on the NBA to figure out how to market a great player who generally lets his game speak for him.
Timmay is fine doing what he's doing now, but I think it would be hilarious to see him doing Peyton Manning style commercials.
+1
Duncan is a badazz and anyone who disagrees is just jealous, fans of other teams or media alike.
The YouTube link of Duncan's Cruxian Shaman:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcgLtc7deY4
He does have and does show a great personality.
I love how DSF thinks we care about the rest of the country and ratings.
Hmmm TD or Black jesus...yeah that's a real ing hard decision lmfao.
the best stament I have ever heard about this ......
right on
Old article but a good one.
By Mike Lopresti, Gannett News Service
SAN ANTONIO — First, the list of grievances so many grumble about the modern NBA, wishing it could still be yesterday.
There should be more character and more defense. Players with a stronger sense of family and team. Professionals who win professionally, without the grating noise of me-first egotists.
"All of those things," Brent Barry said, "are happening every day in San Antonio."
So why isn't everyone head-over-sneakers in love with the Spurs, of which Barry is one?
A few more good nights against the Cleveland Cavaliers, and they will have their fourth le in nine years. This dignified dynasty, without the trappings. "A different beast," LeBron James called them.
They are nobody's darlings outside their own domain. You get the feeling that the networks and league still miss the old Lakers and Celtics and Bulls. The public at large feels so strangely distant from San Antonio, it does not even hate the Spurs (except maybe in Phoenix), which our talk-show society tends to do when a team wins too much.
Is it as simple as market size and sports stature? This is the largest city in the country without a major league or Class AAA baseball team. Among the championship banners hanging in AT&T Center are two celebrating 2005 and 2006. Rodeos of the year.
Is this what the epicenter of the basketball universe is supposed to look like? Would the players be national immortals if this were Los Angeles or New York?
The Spurs don't know. The Spurs don't care. Offer sympathy for their lack of renown, and you find they do not want it.
"The fly-under-the-radar question," Tim Duncan all but sighed when the issue was brought forth the other day. "It doesn't matter to us."
"They sort of relish the fact it's all happening right here in this small little market," Barry said. "There's maybe a little smirk on the coach's face and the organization's face that we're doing it quietly and we're enjoying it, and that's all that counts."
But to simply dismiss the phenomenon is to miss how unconventional and special this is — San Antonio as capital of a dynasty, the Spurs as its unassuming creators.
"When I first came here, as a city, we had a lot of growing up to do," retired Spur David Robinson said the other night, standing outside the locker room before Game 1. "Now when you say San Antonio in Russia, people have heard of it. The Spurs have had a little to do with it."
Without basketball, San Antonio's claims to fame are an amazingly small landmark of a lost battle ("That's it?" is not an uncommon tourist response at first sight of the Alamo), and a swath of river through downtown bordered by sidewalks and dozens of restaurants, eager to contribute to a recent Men's Fitness magazine study that proclaimed this the second fattest city in America.
Destiny, however, gave San Antonio these Spurs.
The franchise was not only lucky to get top lottery picks to draft Robinson and Duncan, but was blessed that both not only happened to be great, but were of the personality that would make them so comfortable here.
Try to imagine Kobe Bryant a San Antonio lifer. Can't be done.
"It's irrelevant how people hold us up or don't hold us up, or talk about us or don't talk about us," coach Gregg Popovich said. "It's got nothing to do with real life."
For real life, turn right out of the AT&T Center parking lot, go past the Rio Grande Cafi and D's tattoos and the funeral parlor on the way toward downtown. A mile or so, and there it is at 217 Robinson Place.
The Carver Academy. A school to inspire city children to academic achievement. David and Valerie Robinson contributed $11 million to build it. He has stayed after retirement to watch over it. Plus, "be a father and a husband."
That, too, is a legacy of the Spurs. Just like the rings and the trophies.
Must aura come from being flashy or controversial or a statistical machine or big city? Can it not come from Duncan's airtight fundamentals or Bruce Bowen's willingness to do the dirty work of defense? "I came up old school," Bowen was saying Friday. "If you didn't play D, you didn't get on the floor."
Can it not come from unified purpose? "It feels like a little family here," Tony Parker said.
That is what must be decided about the Spurs, even if they themselves want no part of the debate. They do not count Nielsen ratings, endorsement deals, network appearances or popularity polls. They count les.
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