Nash: Suns Better, Deeper Than Last Year

[vicphoenix]

One more Finals appearance than the loser team you root for

Finals appearances don't matter. Championships define success! Why do you feel the need to defend the Mavericks? After all, Mark Cuban has never had anything good to say about San Antonio.

[TheZackAttack!]

Mark Cuban and the suns trolls

[JMarkJohns]

All of you have got to be kidding...

No Bill... I'm not. It's pathetic. They aren't talking basketball. They are talking . On this site, there's a place for that. It's called, "THE TROLL FORUM!"

I've got plenty of idiots on ignore, but I can't discuss one damn thing about the Suns without the thread in which I'm posting turning into a cluster of homerism, personal attacks and smack talk... It's a chore to even read a thread, let alone attempt to contribute.

[mardigan]

Finals appearances don't matter. Championships define success! Why do you feel the need to defend the Mavericks? After all, Mark Cuban has never had anything good to say about San Antonio.

I'll defend a good team who can beat the Spurs in the playoffs

[Johnny RIngo]

I laughed so hard I almost peed my pants when I read your sage analysis/criticism of the Suns roster. That was pretty damned funny. So according to you, after the starting 5 the suns roster is pretty much worthless. Very funny for a Spurs fan to say, since you have exactly 3 good players on your team (Duncan, Ginobilli, Parker). The rest of that Spurs roster is straight poop. Garbabe. Role players. Aging veterans. Mediocre to sub-par talent at best. I mean, c'mon: Bonner, Mihinmi, Horry, Udoka, Barry, Elson, Bowen, Oberto, Vaughn, Washington, Finley? Are you serious? Those guys collectively are not as good as Barbosa and Diaw! None of those guys would break into the Suns starting line-up. Some of those guys wouldn't even crack the rotation on the Celtics! Gimmie a break!

Steve Trash wouldn't even start for the Spurs. While gimmick teams find players like Nash effective, the real contenders(teams that can play offense AND defense) know the guy's a one trick pony. Mark Cuban and the Mavs dumped his ass and they got better. They went from a below-average defensive squad to a top 5 defensive team after getting rid of the Canadian flopper.

There's a reason why Nash has never made the Finals: He's a defensive liability that's only effective in a running system. While Kidd is a versatile player who could easily play in any system in the NBA, Nash is inflexible and would be a liability on many squads.

Nash didn't even deserve either of his two MVPs. They should have gone to either Shaq/Kobe/Lebron. Like I said before, Phoenix hype machine at work.

You're a total freaking idiot. The Mavs have been to the Finals ONCE since they were founded in 1980. The Suns have been in the Finals twice: 1976 Vs. the Celtics, and 1993 Vs. the Bulls. Jackass.

S0ns had no business being in the Finals in '93. The league went a long way in ensuring that Phoenix made the Finals that year. The S0ns went 7-6 at home in the playoffs, and fell down 0-2 in the first round. Doesn't sound like much of a contender to me, especially when you consider how bad Jordan went off on them. He's the GOAT, of course, but 41 ppg? Jordan's five other Finals opponents, at least, kept him under 35 ppg. Just goes to show that Phoenix has never been able to play defense. Now back to the first round BS that would have made the '93 S0ns the biggest chokers in NBA history.

The 8th seeded Lakers got ruined by a bad call in the final 30 secs of Game 5 in Round 1 on their floor. Barkley dunked in a ball after the 24 sec clock expired, cutting LA's lead to 2 pts. The refs just disdained calling it...wiped away an extra possession that Phx would've needed. Worthy and Scott both threw themselves to the floor in disgust after the non-call. Then Majerle hit a shot to send the game to OT. Suns should've gone out in Round 1 that year. The BS doesn't stop there though.

In the Conference Finals they needed 60+ FTs to knock out the Sonics in a seventh game.

To quote Eddie Johnson:

“It’s hard to win when the other team shoots 65 free throws”

[exstatic]

If Duncan is healthy, Phoenix has no chance to go through them. They had better pray that Dallas and SA are on the other side of the draw and Dallas does their dirty work for them.

I was watching the DVD the other week, and against PHO, every time Tim had a baby hook, 3 foot shot off the glass, or a dunk, it was Amare on him. He couldn't guard a 90 YO lady with no arms. Good luck with that.

[vicphoenix]

Steve Trash wouldn't even start for the Spurs. While gimmick teams find players like Nash effective, the real contenders(teams that can play offense AND defense) know the guy's a one trick pony. Mark Cuban and the Mavs dumped his ass and they got better. They went from a below-average defensive squad to a top 5 defensive team after getting rid of the Canadian flopper.

There's a reason why Nash has never made the Finals: He's a defensive liability that's only effective in a running system. While Kidd is a versatile player who could easily play in any system in the NBA, Nash is inflexible and would be a liability on many squads.

Nash didn't even deserve either of his two MVPs. They should have gone to either Shaq/Kobe/Lebron. Like I said before, Phoenix hype machine at work.



S0ns had no business being in the Finals in '93. The league went a long way in ensuring that Phoenix made the Finals that year. The S0ns went 7-6 at home in the playoffs, and fell down 0-2 in the first round. Doesn't sound like much of a contender to me, especially when you consider how bad Jordan went off on them. He's the GOAT, of course, but 41 ppg? Jordan's five other Finals opponents, at least, kept him under 35 ppg. Just goes to show that Phoenix has never been able to play defense. Now back to the first round BS that would have made the '93 S0ns the biggest chokers in NBA history.

The 8th seeded Lakers got ruined by a bad call in the final 30 secs of Game 5 in Round 1 on their floor. Barkley dunked in a ball after the 24 sec clock expired, cutting LA's lead to 2 pts. The refs just disdained calling it...wiped away an extra possession that Phx would've needed. Worthy and Scott both threw themselves to the floor in disgust after the non-call. Then Majerle hit a shot to send the game to OT. Suns should've gone out in Round 1 that year. The BS doesn't stop there though.

In the Conference Finals they needed 60+ FTs to knock out the Sonics in a seventh game.

To quote Eddie Johnson:

“It’s hard to win when the other team shoots 65 free throws”

What did Steve Nash do that makes you hate him so much? It isn't like he crowned himself the MVP. To call Nash a liability just shows how your letting your hatrid blind you. There isn't one team in the NBA that wouldn't want Nash. I find it funny that you think Dallas is so much better defensively without Nash. You forgot to mention that Nash never had Avery Johnson as his coach. Or the fact that Shawn Bradley was the Mavs starting center when Nash was there. You think a team can be good defensively with a stick figure in the middle? But is Dallas really that much better defensively?
In 2005, Nash torches Jason Terry in the Suns/Mavs playoff series
In 2006, Dwyane Wade leads the Heat back from a 2-0 deficit to a le
In 2007, Baron Davis destroys Jason Terry and leads the Warriors to the biggest playoff upset in NBA history
Seems like the replacement for Nash didn't fare so well. Great defensive teams don't let one player beat them. While Nash isn't a great defender, he isn't a liability like you claim. He led the Suns in charges drawn last season and before you say he flops, remember what Ginobili gets away with.

[RonMexico]

What did Steve Nash do that makes you hate him so much? It isn't like he crowned himself the MVP. To call Nash a liability just shows how your letting your hatrid blind you. There isn't one team in the NBA that wouldn't want Nash. I find it funny that you think Dallas is so much better defensively without Nash. You forgot to mention that Nash never had Avery Johnson as his coach. Or the fact that Shawn Bradley was the Mavs starting center when Nash was there. You think a team can be good defensively with a stick figure in the middle? But is Dallas really that much better defensively?
In 2005, Nash torches Jason Terry in the Suns/Mavs playoff series
In 2006, Dwyane Wade leads the Heat back from a 2-0 deficit to a le
In 2007, Baron Davis destroys Jason Terry and leads the Warriors to the biggest playoff upset in NBA history
Seems like the replacement for Nash didn't fare so well. Great defensive teams don't let one player beat them. While Nash isn't a great defender, he isn't a liability like you claim. He led the Suns in charges drawn last season and before you say he flops, remember what Ginobili gets away with.

Ringo has turned into a whiner and your points are pretty spot on. Let's not forget that the new starter at PG (Devin Harris) hangs his defensive hat on excessive flopping.

Wow, RIngo, they beat the Cavs... they must be good.

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I don't agree with the hate that Ringo was spouting, but there is no question that Nash is absolutely horrid on defense. If he wasn't so bad, then why did Dallas always have to put Van Exel on Mike Bibby all those years that he would torch us night after night? Or the Suns rotating Bell and Marion on Parker? Jason Terry even gives Nash plenty of tough nights.

[da_suns_fan__]

I don't agree with the hate that Ringo was spouting, but there is no question that Nash is absolutely horrid on defense. If he wasn't so bad, then why did Dallas always have to put Van Exel on Mike Bibby all those years that he would torch us night after night? Or the Suns rotating Bell and Marion on Parker? Jason Terry even gives Nash plenty of tough nights.

Why do the Spurs put Bowen on Nash?

I guess Parker is just as useless a defender, huh?

[mardigan]

Why do the Spurs put Bowen on Nash?

I guess Parker is just as useless a defender, huh?

Same reason he guards Dirk, Lebron, T-Mac, Kobe etc., he guards the other teams best player. And since its pretty easy to shut down Marion and Barbosa, he guards Nash.

[da_suns_fan__]

Same reason he guards Dirk, Lebron, T-Mac, Kobe etc., he guards the other teams best player. And since its pretty easy to shut down Marion and Barbosa, he guards Nash.

You are REALLY slow, huh?

Lets see...Marion guards Dirk, Lebron, T-Mac and Parker. This means that Nash is a crappy defender.

Bowen guards Dirk, Lebron, T-Mac and Nash but this DOESN'T mean that Parker is a poor defender?

Im trying to point out the hypocracy. Once again, you are agreeing with me but are trying to argue with me.

Its because you are an idiot.

[spursfan09]

Defense and Nash do not go together. I always thought the MVP should go to the best all around player as in plays defense too.

[mardigan]

You are REALLY slow, huh?

Lets see...Marion guards Dirk, Lebron, T-Mac and Parker. This means that Nash is a crappy defender.

Bowen guards Dirk, Lebron, T-Mac and Nash but this DOESN'T mean that Parker is a poor defender?

Im trying to point out the hypocracy. Once again, you are agreeing with me but are trying to argue with me.

Its because you are an idiot.

God your a dumb rag.
Anyone that has ever watched basketball can pretty much tell that Nash is a horrible defender. When Bowen guards someone else, the guy parker is on doesnt kill the Spurs. When Marion is on someone else, Nash gets schooled by pretty much anyone he trys to guard. He couldnt even keep Earl ing Watson in front of him last night. I know your an ultimate homer, but trying to argue that Steve nash is a decent defender on any board will get you laughed at. Parker still guards Nash sometimes, Nash never, ever guards Tony.

[DannyB]

Steve Trash wouldn't even start for the Spurs. While gimmick teams find players like Nash effective, the real contenders(teams that can play offense AND defense) know the guy's a one trick pony. Mark Cuban and the Mavs dumped his ass and they got better. They went from a below-average defensive squad to a top 5 defensive team after getting rid of the Canadian flopper.

There's a reason why Nash has never made the Finals: He's a defensive liability that's only effective in a running system. While Kidd is a versatile player who could easily play in any system in the NBA, Nash is inflexible and would be a liability on many squads.

Nash didn't even deserve either of his two MVPs. They should have gone to either Shaq/Kobe/Lebron. Like I said before, Phoenix hype machine at work.



S0ns had no business being in the Finals in '93. The league went a long way in ensuring that Phoenix made the Finals that year. The S0ns went 7-6 at home in the playoffs, and fell down 0-2 in the first round. Doesn't sound like much of a contender to me, especially when you consider how bad Jordan went off on them. He's the GOAT, of course, but 41 ppg? Jordan's five other Finals opponents, at least, kept him under 35 ppg. Just goes to show that Phoenix has never been able to play defense. Now back to the first round BS that would have made the '93 S0ns the biggest chokers in NBA history.

The 8th seeded Lakers got ruined by a bad call in the final 30 secs of Game 5 in Round 1 on their floor. Barkley dunked in a ball after the 24 sec clock expired, cutting LA's lead to 2 pts. The refs just disdained calling it...wiped away an extra possession that Phx would've needed. Worthy and Scott both threw themselves to the floor in disgust after the non-call. Then Majerle hit a shot to send the game to OT. Suns should've gone out in Round 1 that year. The BS doesn't stop there though.

In the Conference Finals they needed 60+ FTs to knock out the Sonics in a seventh game.

To quote Eddie Johnson:

“It’s hard to win when the other team shoots 65 free throws”

Wow. What an amazing version of history. You're really a crazy dumbass, aren't you? Suns in '93 was a conspiracy or something? Nash is the all-time most incompetent defender? Nash didn't deserve his MVPs?

You're on a roll. Any more totally re ed personal opinions?

[da_suns_fan__]

God your a dumb rag.
Anyone that has ever watched basketball can pretty much tell that Nash is a horrible defender. When Bowen guards someone else, the guy parker is on doesnt kill the Spurs. When Marion is on someone else, Nash gets schooled by pretty much anyone he trys to guard. He couldnt even keep Earl ing Watson in front of him last night. I know your an ultimate homer, but trying to argue that Steve nash is a decent defender on any board will get you laughed at. Parker still guards Nash sometimes, Nash never, ever guards Tony.

Kudos for vulgarity, but its hard not to laugh at you when, in your first sentence, you use "your" for "you're" while trying to call me dumb.


btw - Ive seen plenty of instances of Nash guarding Parker.

[mardigan]

Kudos for vulgarity, but its hard not to laugh at you when, in your first sentence, you use "your" for "you're" while trying to call me dumb.


btw - Ive seen plenty of instances of Nash guarding Parker.

Ooooo, spelling smack, last resort of giant vag.
Btw, Nash is probably the worst defender in the NBA no matter who you saw him guard.

[mardigan]

Whoops, he might be as good as Luke Ridinour, maybe

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You are REALLY slow, huh?

Lets see...Marion guards Dirk, Lebron, T-Mac and Parker. This means that Nash is a crappy defender.

Bowen guards Dirk, Lebron, T-Mac and Nash but this DOESN'T mean that Parker is a poor defender?

Im trying to point out the hypocracy. Once again, you are agreeing with me but are trying to argue with me.

Its because you are an idiot.

Ok, but when did I ever mention anything about Parker's defense? All I was talking about was Nash being a poor defender.

BTW - I have always thought and said that Parker was a very poor defender... ask anyone on this forum that has been here for a while.

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Nash never, ever guards Tony.

And when he does, Tony's FG% rockets up to about 95%.

[da_suns_fan__]

Ooooo, spelling smack, last resort of giant vag.
Btw, Nash is probably the worst defender in the NBA no matter who you saw him guard.

Your grammar is equally terrible. Are you calling me "spelling spack" as a proper name? Why even bother using commas when you obviously haven't got the slightest clue how to use them? GO BACK TO SCHOOL!

btw - Nash is the WORST? The Spurs went up against the WORST defender in the league and all they could manage was a 2-2 tie after four games? Tony Parker had three bad games with the WORST defender in the league guarding him half the time?

[da_suns_fan__]

Ok, but when did I ever mention anything about Parker's defense? All I was talking about was Nash being a poor defender.

BTW - I have always thought and said that Parker was a very poor defender... ask anyone on this forum that has been here for a while.

Well...at least youre fair.

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Kudos for vulgarity, but its hard not to laugh at you when, in your first sentence, you use "your" for "you're" while trying to call me dumb.

ura fukin re u stoopid dum mutherfuker. go suk a dik dum fukstik.

[monosylab1k]

Kudos for vulgarity, but its hard not to laugh at you when, in your first sentence, you use "your" for "you're" while trying to call me dumb.

spelling & grammar smack is only funny if you do it to T Park. do that with anyone else and you're just a bag who obviously has no defense for your stance so you resort to that crap.

[mardigan]

Your grammar is equally terrible. Are you calling me "spelling spack" as a proper name? Why even bother using commas when you obviously haven't got the slightest clue how to use them? GO BACK TO SCHOOL!

btw - Nash is the WORST? The Spurs went up against the WORST defender in the league and all they could manage was a 2-2 tie after four games? Tony Parker had three bad games with the WORST defender in the league guarding him half the time?

Yes, hes the worst
Marion had to guard parker most of the series because he was so bad
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