Once again would someone actually read what I posted on the whole "Kobe got rid of shaq" thing. I proved that it wasn't Kobe and it was infact that Buss didn't want to pay Fat Ass 30 million a year. So the whole crap where's Shaq has no relavance.
Second, Bynum. Are you seriously going to fault Kobe for being pissed that Bynum wasn't traded for Kidd or Jermaine? Give me a break! You're hating on Kobe for wanting to make the team better and for wanting to get the players that would make the team closer to a championship. It's a double standered.
And Again on the last point what is you're basis for assuming that that would happen? Because Malone retired and Buss didn't want to pay Fat Ass? READ what I post! I'm tired of people hating on Kobe for something that isn't true.
Well for the record Kobe did have a part in Shaq leaving. But it is true that the main reason is because Dr. Buss didn't wanna pay him $30 Million a year.
As for Kobe this offseason he should have handled it like a professional. Crying to the media is not how a professional handles things.
And Bynum is the real deal.
Whats your number? Cause last I checked he's been to 4 finals and won 3 championships. Or do you mean when he leads the great Jordan Farmar to a dynasty. Jesus you people have such blind hate and have to throw such unrealistic expectations and believe bull lies that a corporate organization fed the media to cover their ass to justify your hate for the guy. Yea let me guess. Tim mother ing Dunan.. or no Manu would lead Jordan Farmar and Kwame Brown to the greatest dynasty this side of the old celtics. Some of you actually have some sense but man there are alot of deluted blind homers in this place.Whoa. Hold on. Kobe > Manu... but Kobe > Duncan? Give me a ing break.
1) Duncan
2) LeBron
3) Garnett
Call me when Kobe gets out of the first round, then we'll talk.
Purple thanks for actually making a post worth reading.
As far as the bynum thing I still would of traded him for Kidd and can understand why Kobe would be pissed.
Hey look he showed up again after I handed your ass back to you. So you still believe that Magic Johnson knows more then shaq and kobe on the whole Buss situation?
I wouldn't just for the reason that you have to match salaries. It would have took Kwame, Farmar, Mihm, McKie, Bynum, and a first. That would have left us with Turiaf playing center and no future whatsoever.
Bynum has also proved why the FO is so keen on keeping him. He will be a dominant center for many many years. And it seems like Kidd is available again. So I would have to say it was the right move to not make the trade.
I can agree with that.. you state your case well.
Yes thanks Purple for confirming that Kobe did have something to do with running Shaq out of L.A. I see that ynh has totally neglected to read that part since it contradicts what he's saying.
So let me get this straight: It's BYNUM's fault that he didn't get traded. Bynum deserves to be ripped into at all of 20 years old because of a GM decision. Bynum deserves to hear his name torn apart in the media because Kobe was pissed about a trade that didn't happen and went to the media. Yes, Kobe is such a mature player that he went after a kid and publicly denounced him. What a GREAT teammate. Who wouldn't want this guy on their team?As far as the bynum thing I still would of traded him for Kidd and can understand why Kobe would be pissed.
You've done nothing of the sort. Please show me where you've made a relevant post that hasn't yet been refuted. Purple and Gold agreed with me on both of points, that Kobe ran Shaq out of town, and that Kobe acted without class or concern for his teammates when he lambasted Bynum and Co. to the media.Hey look he showed up again after I handed your ass back to you. So you still believe that Magic Johnson knows more then shaq and kobe on the whole Buss situation?
As far as "showing up again"... I don't live on this board, pal. I don't constantly check to see if someone has responded to a thread I've posted in. So you'll pardon me for not replying to you like it's an instant message conversation about how "leet" your fantasy team is.
Manu is 3/3. So his winning percentage in the Finals is higher. It's adorable how you refute Manu's ability to win les on his own and then are such a braggart about Kobe's 3 Shaq-filled rings.Cause last I checked he's been to 4 finals and won 3 championships.
Wow. Glad you proved that. Despite Shaq, Phil, and Magic saying otherwise. Good on you. Even P&G agrees with the assessment that it was Kobe's doing as well.I proved that it wasn't Kobe and it was infact that Buss didn't want to pay Fat Ass 30 million a year.
Your selective reading is getting to be quite humorous.
As far as selective reading.. well you missed this part.
Second learn to read.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2886927
lol Don't live on this board.. You got 25 hundred freakin posts!
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You just aren't worth responding to anymore.
ok seriously?
I'd have far fewer posts if you actually answered my question instead of avoiding it. So here we go again... Do you still believe that Magic Johnson knows more then Kobe and Shaq about the Buss situation and what lead to Shaq being traded to the Heat.Total Posts: 60 (12.41 posts per day)
You just aren't worth responding to anymore.
And yea I'm sorry.. I used a crap load of posts while I was at work yesterday trying to get you people to be less of an idiot. You got me.. I've been on here for a week.. I obviously have no life.
Now are you going to answer my question or avoid it again cause you know you were wrong.
as a reformed kobe-hater, i think the only difference between manu and kobe production wise is that kobe has considerably better stamina and durability. thats pretty important in an 82 game season for a first option.
on the spurs however, in manu's closer role, that is not that important. what is important, is deference to pop, duncan, and forgetting about personal accomplishments (its hard to lead the league in anything playing 30mpg).
so clearly, kobe is a better fit in LA, and manu is a better fit in SA. whats the problem with that??
can u elaborate bag or do expect me to use telepathy?
He won't answer your question. He'll give you some elaberate explaination that he has 2500 posts but doesn't live here.. even though you'll see his name on the viewing list.
u make bynum out to be a ing saint. this is the same guy who Phil Jackson called out last year becasue the idiot was being lazy during practice and didn't wan't to practice using his left hand....in addition to that he was late, if i'm not mistaken, to the first game of the season! he deserves to have his ass chewed out!So let me get this straight: It's BYNUM's fault that he didn't get traded. Bynum deserves to be ripped into at all of 20 years old because of a GM decision. Bynum deserves to hear his name torn apart in the media because Kobe was pissed about a trade that didn't happen and went to the media. Yes, Kobe is such a mature player that he went after a kid and publicly denounced him. What a GREAT teammate. Who wouldn't want this guy on their team?
Oh for the love of God. Do you really need this question answered? Kobe and Shaq are both players with heavy PR concerns. They had to be discreet about the situation anyway. Are you that blind to the way Shaq and Kobe verbally sparred for years? Of course they knew the situation. However, only one of us (apparently) takes players on their word as a biblical oath of truth.
You're the one who insinuated I "showed up again". Don't be arrogant and then act like it's none of your doing when people respond.And yea I'm sorry.. I used a crap load of posts while I was at work yesterday trying to get you people to be less of an idiot. You got me.. I've been on here for a week.. I obviously have no life.
I'm not the one proclaiming Kobe's innocence in all of this. While there were likely multiple factors involved in the movement of Shaq to Miami, I think the primary reasons were money and Kobe, probably equally. I can't speak for sure, as I don't pretend to personally know the players and their motives *cough* unlike some. I can say for almost a certainty though that Shaq might have been persuaded to take less money if he was having fun in L.A. with the chance at more les. However, he made it clear that he wanted out, then proceeded to go to play with Wade. Oddly enough, he and Wade never had conflicts! Now I wonder why that is?Now are you going to answer my question or avoid it again cause you know you were wrong.
Perhaps you'd have far fewer posts if you asked relevant questions instead of trying to make inconsequential points and cherry pick the parts of other posts that agree with you.
ahahahah....still going on...oh and for bag that says give Manu the same minutes as Kobe and he'd be a better player...please if he actually had to average more minutues his effeciecy would be decreased especially if he was the main option. Can't people see this..damn. You guys are the biggest homers outside of Dallas fans.
Sure. You stated that Shaq was horrible after the HOF Lakers were beaten by the Pistons.
Of course, after that happened Shaq moved on and won another ring, while Kobe hasn't made it out of the first round since.
Comments like this are not only devoid of readable English, but they have absolutely no basis in reality. I mean, really. Do you think Parker scores 20+ a game because the defense is focused on Bonner or Oberto scoring on them in the post? Stating Shaq wasn't important to the le is... well... if you don't realize how stupid that sounds, I can't help you.and shaq wasn't even an importqnt piece to the puzzle. the last couple of years witht he lakers he let himself gat fat, plus, he was already old.
And thanks for calling a fellow Spurs fan a name. Makes you look extremely credible.
Man that's some of the dumbest in the world I just read.....SAgambler...please resign yourself to only talk about the spurs, as you clearly don't know about any other NBA players. Oh, and if you're going to pull stats out of your ass, please be accurate. Kobe's only averaging around 7 minutes per game and actually is more efficient and plays D on the best players on the opposite team. Your homerism is beyond even mine.....Here is another take on you "Great Kobe" vs "Nobody Manu"
Both have played in 19 games thus far.
Kobes' line goes something like this.
27 ppg @ 46%...35% from 3 pt land....87% from FT line and a total of 515 points.
Manus' line goes like this.
20 ppg @ 48%...44% from 3 pt land....83% from FT line and a total of 386 points.
While Kobe is outscoring Manu by a total of 129 points, Kobe is also logging probably at least 15 more minutes per game. Do the math. It will show that Kobe really isn't that much better on the offensive end and he certainly isn't a more dominate defensive player.
Also consider the time on the floor difference and Kobe has 10 more assists on the season, 3 more steals and 3 more blocks.
Give Manu the same amount of PT and it would suggest that Manu would equal or excede Kobe in every category.
So much for the "Kobe is a much greater player than Manu".
So much for the "Trade Manu for Kobe"....
Leave him in Lakerland where at least there are a ton of Hollywood would be starlets, that are willing to occupy his down time, while the Spurs are still playing for another Championship.
I can gaurantee you that if you ask all NBA players who is the best player in the league they would 90% of time choose Kobe. Oh and Manu wouldn't even be in the top 10 in discussion. this thread is starting to piss me off. You have manu having his best statistical season ever and he still can't touch Kobe. Keep the insanity coming....
So now Phil called Bynum out for being lazy last year?? He didn't want to use his left hand in practice?? Where did you get this information??
As for being late the first game of the season, in his defense that day there was a huge accident and had traffic at a standstill for hours (freeways and side streets). Not excusable, but certainly understandable considering how bad L.A. traffic can get.
As long as you know ALL Spurs fans don't feel this way.
OK,We never said in this board that Manu was a better individual player.
What we are discussin here is that There isn't such a big gap(as you think there is)between both of them.
Numbers per 48 mins are about the same, and that's the bottonline.I give you that Kobe is still effective playing a whole bunch of minutes,and Manu would not be able to keep up with so much minutes at the same level for many games(He'll probably go out of legs)
But it also has to do with the way Manu plays every game and the intensity he brings to the court every single minute he's playing.
But at the end,Manu is the better teammate.Manu is the one who can coexist with another 2 superstars on his same time,and will do just what his coach wants him to do in order to win games,And STILL be able to pull 20 pts 4 ast and 5 rpg in less tham 30 mpg,and taking way less shots per game tham Kobe
The total equation equals Kobe<Manu
It's not stupid, it's statistics. Extrapolating statistics does not make him a homer. It's what John Hollinger does all the time.
That said, I think Kobe is clearly the better individual player. More dynamic scorer, probably slightly better on defense. I'd give Manu an edge on intangibles, but that's about it.
That said, Manu is playing absolutely possessed this year. He's been the best player on arguably the 2nd best team in the league.
For probably the 15th time this point is made in the thread, the sensible fans are not saying Manu > Kobe. They aren't even saying Manu = Kobe. They are simply stating he fits in better with the Spurs system, which demands teamwork and sacrifice and a dedication to team ball rather than just firing away. I cannot imagine how furious Pop would be if one of our players took it upon himself to hoist 40 shots in a contest, regardless if we won or lost the game. That is not and has never been the Spurs style, and the reason that Pop is such a great coach is that individual wins satisfy him less than a loss with positive results. Is this clear enough, or are you going to call us homers for valuing teamwork? Feel free. We'll just point to the banners.
At this point though, I'm pretty convinced that anything resembling a negative comment towards Kobe is disregarded by med, vnh, and ronald.
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