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The ans have one of the best Defenses in the league!!! If the game is close and they are down 7 or less they will always have a chance with VY. ans win this week and pull off an upset in the playoffs book it.
At least get your stats right...
17 INT + 3 FUM LOST = 20 Turnovers.
Not that 12/20 is much better than 12/27, but accuracy counts.
The ans have one of the best Defenses in the league!!! If the game is close and they are down 7 or less they will always have a chance with VY. ans win this week and pull off an upset in the playoffs book it.
It's a lot easier to separate a baseball player from his team than it is to separate a football player from his team. I'll grant you that as I assume that's what your point was.
My point is simple: W/L is not strictly dependent on QB or P performance. Performance is a factor, moreso as a pitcher, but not always the deciding factor in the outcome. Things as simple as missing a block or misplaying a fly ball can mean a loss instead of a win or vice versa. Stellar QB play and 7 stellar innings from the starter can mean nothing at all. W/L record is simply not a good indicator of performance. Which is why...
....W/L total is a meaningless stat for QBs. Eli Manning has been horrible this year and just because the Giants, as a team, have won 10 games doesn't change that fact. The same for Grossman last year. The only reason VY gets a pass from me is that it's only his 2nd year and his WRs have been so bad. That doesn't mean he hasn't been horrible this year. If the stats came under the name of Leinart, you'd have a field day with them.
It's really rather simple in the NFL: if you can run the ball and stop the run, you can win games in this league, regardless of QB play. In fact, those two things tend to mask deficiencies of the overall team. Look no further than the 2007 Minnesota Vikings and 2007 Tennessee ans for proof of that.
I guess it goes back to does the QB make the other players on offense better or do the other players make the QB better? I don't have an answer to that as it's unique within each situation.
As for the 27-20 TOS, that's my bad. I should have known taking them from CBS's fantasy talking heads.
Last edited by DisgruntledLionFan#54,927; 12-26-2007 at 04:50 PM.
Are you on crack man? You and all of the other Colts haters must be (or you're just blind) because people have been playing the injury card on us all year and we keep winning. The Patriots beat us by four points while we were playing with only one good receiver the whole game. Peyton had a rough game in Oakland but he delivered when it counted... other than that the Colts offense has been on fire for the past 4 games.
Addai and Gonzalez didn't come back in the game because the Colts had the rout on by that point. There was no need. And does it matter if Harrison plays or not? Clearly his absence has ruined the Colts shot at a le defense.
I don't know what season you've been watching man but I don't see the Colts mailing in a division game at home, even if it's Week 17 and they have nothing to play for. They had nothing to play for last week either and the Texans went home with two broken legs.
I've been paying at least a little attention. Personally I think a healthy Colts beats the Patiots. I've been actually very impressed with how well the Colts have overcome their injuries. Not so much Harrison since the Colts run with 2 #1 receivers anyway, but some of the others seemed pretty daunting.
I just don't see them running up the score. In the first 7 games this season, the Colts scored less than 29 once, against the ans. In those games they gave up more than the 20 to the ans once. They've only given up more than 20 points 4 times this year.
Addai and Gonzalez are indeed suffering effects from their injuries. There is no reason TO play them, and good reason not to, at least not more than a series if at all. I'll be really surprised if they play significant amounts, just because it'd be an idiotic decision by an intelligent coach.
Even with them, the ans D is exceptional as long as Haynesworth is crashing up the middle, and over the last couple years, Colts- ans equals a low scoring game (by Colts standards), and close.
Listening to some of the VY homers here is comical. Vince hasn't led . To credit him with the ans record is a joke. Quincy Carter went 10-6 with the Cowboys, that doesn't mean he was a good quarterback.
A game by game look at how Vince has supposedly "led" the team.
Week 1: 13-10 victory at Jacksonville.
Vince goes 11-18 for 78 yards, 0 TD, 1 INT but has 11 rushes for 22 yards and a TD. 47.9 QB Rating.
Unless 100 yards of offense out of your QB is suddenly earth shattering (Jax gives up 236 ypg passing), I think it is safe to say that it was Tennessee's defense limiting Jones-Drew and Taylor to 48 yards on 13 carries that won the game.
Week 2
22-20 loss home versus the Colts.
This was actually one of Vince's better games statistically. 17-27 for 184, 1 TD, 0 INT to go with 53 yards on 5 carries. 95.3 QB Rating. A hint at a trend soon to emerge... strangly, the better Vince's stats, the less games Tennessee wins.
Week 3
31-14 win @ New Orleans.
Another pretty solid game by Vince standards. 14-22 164 Yards, 2 TD, 1 Int, 5 rushes 21 yards. 97.6 QB Rating. Vince certainly led the team to the win here. Prompoted the front page of ESPN.com to read "In-VINCE-able".
Week 4
Bye. I think the only time all year Vince didn't fumble or throw an INT.
Week 5
20-13 win versus Atlanta at home.
Vince: 20-33, 157 yards, 0 TD, 3 Int, 8 Rushes 27 yards. QB rating 34.5
A game that took the forward pass back 100 years. Anyone care to try and claim Vince was the deciding factor in this one?
Week 6
13-10 Loss @ Tampa Bay.
Vince: 11/14 120 yards, 0 TD, 1 INT, 3 carries 6 yards. 72.6 Rating.
Vince leaves the game in the 3rd quarter, Kerry Collins comes in and leads Tennessee to their only TD of the game. Tennessee leads time of possession 38 minutes to 22 in this game and still loses.
Week 7
38-36 win @ Houston.
Vince doesn't play, Kerry Collins leads Tennessee to their highest point output since Vince joined the team (still waiting to be surpassed by Vince). Hard to give Vince credit for this win since he didn't play.
Week 8
13-9 win over Oakland at home.
Vince: 6/14, 42 yards, 0 TD, 0 INT, 7 carries for 11 yards. 50.3 QB rating. Seriously... is this Pop Warner?
Week 9
20-7 win at home over Carolina.
Vince: 14-23, 110 yards, 0 TD, 2 INT, 8 carries 25 yards 1 TD. 36.5 QB Rating.
These were the kind of performances that had people calling for Rex Grossman's head last year. But Vince gets a free pass from Tennessee and UT fans. Curious. Did Vince "lead" the team here? Doesn't look like it.
Week 10
28-13 home loss to Jacksonville.
Vince: 24-41, 257 yards, 1 TD, 2 INT, 8 carries 52 yards. 64.8 QB Rating.
IIRC, this was Vince's highest passing total of his career at that point. But, a rather bad loss for a team that was thick in the playoff hunt at that point.
Week 11
34-20 loss at Denver.
Vince: 26/41, 1 TD, 2 Int, 11 caries 74 yards. 73.8 QB Rating.
Jay Cutler, who we were just told sucks by a Vince-homer, posts a 137.0 QB rating in a drubbing of Vince's team. Had the ans won we would have likely seen more "In-VINCE-able" headlines after this performance, the first and only time he's ever eclipsed 300 yards passing. But instead, it's just VY leading his team to another loss in one of his better statistical days.
Week 12
35-6 loss at Cincy.
Vince: 19/31, 246 yards, 0 TD, 1 Int, 2 carries, 6 yards. 72.3 QB rating.
Vince looks like he can finally rack up passing yards. Too bad he can't rack up TDs (too bad unless you have Tennessee's kicker on your fantasy team).
Week 13
28-20 win at home vs. Houston.
Vince: 21-31, 248 yards, 2 TD, 1 INT, 5 rushes, 44 yards. 99.9 QB Rating.
Good game for Vince, we'll give him credit for leading the team to victory for the second time this year.
Week 14
23-17 loss at home vs. San Diego.
Vince: 13-21, 121 yards, 0 TD, 2 INT, 2 carries, 2 yards. 38.1 QB Rating.
That sure is a lot of sub-50 QB rating games for Vince... the words "in spite of Vince" come to mind...
Week 15
26-17 win at KC.
Vince 16-26, 191 yards, 2 TD, 0 INT, 7 carries, 32 yards. 109.6 QB Rating
Vince finally breaks a 100 passer rating. Credit for win #3 to Vince leading the team.
Week 16
10-6 win over NYJ at home.
Vince: 12-22, 166 yards, 0 TD, 1 INT, 7 carries, 1 yard. 60.0 QB Rating.
Yes, those are real stats.
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So there we have it. Of Tennessee's 8 wins, we can definitely say 3 were because of his leadership. 5 games he had a passer rating of 50 or below. Only 4 games above 90.
Even Rex Grossman was better than this when he led the Bear's to the Superbowl. I guess since no one thinks the ans are actual SuperBowl contenders the QB doesn't get that kind of scrutiny.
its like saying, Starter michael finley has the right stuff, because in light of his horrible shooting, the spurs keep on truckin.
thats true. i don't know why people are so blind.
I wouldn't equate Finley's role on the Spurs to a QB's role on an NFL team. That's just dumb.
They aren't blind, but they see what they want to see through those burnt orange glasses.
Nobody up here thinks that VY has been worth a damn this year. If he had played at Michigan, the love/lips firmly wrapped around his cack would have been the same up here, though.
reg season=stay in the pocket
playoffs=do what you do VY, do what you do.
Out of all those incomplete passes how many do you think were drops? I say atleast 15-20% Like in the indy game last minute drive down by 2 20-30 yard pass to set them up in field goal range and the damn ball was dropped. If Jones would have caught the ball we wouldnt even be here right now. The ans would already clinched and we would be talking about the Jags and Colts and who would end the season as the AFC south Champs.
You must really be the most obtuse, whacked out of his mind asshole I've ever had the displeasure of ever dealing with. I've got two words for you, hypocrite...
Matt Leinart.
tantrumsaregood,
...some things you understand...most you don't.
No we wouldn't because the Colts beat Jacksonville twice and own the tiebreaker?
I'm no Vince fan but at least he's good enough to not have to split time with his backup *cough*Leinart*cough*
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how'd jay cutler enjoy the playoffs? with wings or pizza?
cuz vince young was busy playing this week.
Is that what you call that?
By the way Mono, have you picked a team to root for once the Pats dynasty starts slowing down?
I haven't picked one yet but i'll let you know.
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