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  1. #126
    Out with the old... Obstructed_View's Avatar
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    There's a difference.

    Nothing was found that the Newtons ever received any of what they were allegedly seeking. In this instance, benefits were proven to have been received. So, despite not knowing, similar to Newton, Perry's situation is completely different.
    I'm on the record saying if they cheated then them, but I thought the rules stated that soliciting funds was the same violation as actually receiving them, just as someone soliciting funds on your behalf is the same as you soliciting them.

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    I'm on the record saying if they cheated then them, but I thought the rules stated that soliciting funds was the same violation as actually receiving them, just as someone soliciting funds on your behalf is the same as you soliciting them.
    Not sure how this works. It sounds accurate, but I'm not certain.

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    BTW, it turns out his mom borrowed 1000 dollars when Perry was in high school to make rent, which she repaid, and has nothing to do with Drew. The car rumor is just that. So much for using a Baylor fan site as your "source".

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    BTW, it turns out his mom borrowed 1000 dollars when Perry was in high school to make rent, which she repaid, and has nothing to do with Drew. The car rumor is just that. So much for using a Baylor fan site as your "source".
    What are you talking about? My source is a person, not anyone on a message board.

    If it's a rumor and independent of Drew, then it sucks for me, but I'm going with what my source says 100% of the time. Looks like we both jumped the gun a bit on this, which speaks more to us than the credibility of the information.

    You've known me a long freakin' time. Do I seem like the type to just be a for being a ? I understand people questioning me who have not known me over a six year period on this board, but not from you. But I get it. When you claim to have sources, you get only a few chances to prove it. You're not a recipient of my other information. Cool...

    Note when I said, "Car" and when they did.

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    No, you've never been a , which is why I accepted your information even though I didn't like it. Several pages of declarations by others how this confirms how dirty they've all known Drew and Baylor to be all along deserve a bit of a rebuke when the original information is revealed to be completely false. The car rumor was on the Baylorfans.com thread and nowhere else, so it certainly looks like the person that told you about it got it from there or fed it to them.

    The ESPN article mentions that all of this took place before Jones was at Baylor, that Jones knew nothing about it, that Baylor knew nothing about it, that the AAU coach has no link to Baylor, and that the sudden declaration of eligibility goes against precedent.

    Does any of this mean that Baylor and Drew aren't dirty? Nope, but it certainly means that a lot of asshurt Big 12 fans who think they're always en led to be good and that Baylor's always required to suck should get their facts right. Aplogies that you were the catalyst for some of that, particularly if my post came across as overly harsh, but the whole situation is a bit frustrating. I'm glad Baylor was underachieving so badly this year that Perry's suspension gave them the excuse they needed to fold up the tents and go home, but that doesn't make the suspension just.

    If Baylor are breaking the rules to get blue chip athletes, then they're the stupidest school in history and deserve to have the term "ins ute of higher learning" stripped from their description and the entire athletic program shut down. Until then, I'm still rooting for them.

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    Thanks... FWIW, my source has the connections through recruiting ties, and isn't the type to feed message boards info. My trust in him says there's something there, but this can be exaggerated to the point where whatever is true is overshadowed by the rumor. I broke the news when I was given it, which was hours before an other details emerged. I hate to think I may have contributed to the process. I would not have said it if I thought it was mere speculation. Not my style.

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    True, and again, my apologies for being a little harsh with my Michael Irvin "Print the retraction on the front page" rant.

    BTW, if your source is in recruiting, I wouldn't be a bit surprised if he hates Scott Drew.

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    It's off a video game. lazerelmo's Avatar
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    PJ3 is coming back... Sick'em Bears.

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    Am I gonna have to be the jokester?

    Perry didn't want to take the paycut

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    Why the is Perry Jones going back to school? He won't even be eligible...

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    It's off a video game. lazerelmo's Avatar
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    5 games suspension and some chump change. He'll be reinstated.

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    NT? more like SO i said
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    Good to see him come back to college where he can improve because he definitely has some stuff he needs to work on before making an impact on the NBA.

    However, I wonder how much one could improve being around a guy like Scott Drew

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    Nobody improves with Scott Drew as his coach.

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    He definitely has some things in his game he needs to work out. Needs to beef up a little and be more aggressive on the offensive end. Hopefully he'll get that chance without Lace there jacking up terrible shot after terrible shot. Oh and any sort of consistent PG play would help him out as well. Good news for us Baylor fans obviously, hopefully we can rebound next year.

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    It's off a video game. lazerelmo's Avatar
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    Can I get a witness?


    http://msn.foxsports.com/collegebask...2011-12-042511

    "Chemistry — and leadership — will be the key since there will be no shortage of talent on this roster."


    http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketb...on_rise_042711

    "No team in the Big 12 will be able to match Baylor’s talent."

  16. #141
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    Yeah, um, what's your point? Baylor's roster is gonna be oozing with talent this year like it is every year? Talent has never been Dew's problem, it's been the fact he's a ball coach who can't utilize talent to save his life.

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    It's off a video game. lazerelmo's Avatar
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    Yeah, Hopefully he will under utilize it like he did in '10.

    YOU MAD?

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    I'll be mad if it turns out that Baylor really is as dirty as most of us think they are.

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    Yeah, Hopefully he will under utilize it like he did in '10.

    YOU MAD?
    You're kinda proving my point by using the one season where they actually met (didn't exceed, just met) expectations as your best example.

  20. #145
    It's off a video game. lazerelmo's Avatar
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    2010 first Elite 8 appearance in over 50 years. Pretty sure they exceeded some expectations there.

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    NT? more like SO i said
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    sons that's pretty gay that Jones is only staying because of his girlfriend

    especially considering she's some short pig on the women's basketball team that's not even remotely attractive. black people are so weird

  22. #147
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    rofl that'd be hilarious if Jones dating Brittney Grinder

  23. #148
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    rofl that'd be hilarious if Jones dating Brittney Grinder
    tbh I take it back, its not the one i was thinking of. she's not a fat pig but another ugly girl on the basketball team, hard to tell these gorillas apart

    lol at turning down millions of dollars to be ing this thing


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    tbh I take it back, its not the one i was thinking of. she's not a fat pig but another ugly girl on the basketball team, hard to tell these gorillas apart

    lol at turning down millions of dollars to be ing this thing


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