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You don't need to have 5 offensive threats on the floor to win. When the Spurs field a team of Bowen/Oberto/Duncan/Parker/Manu they really only have 3 people that can actually score.
This is just crazy. I totally disagree with this move.
Mono got his wish. I foresee a first round exit for the Mavs again this year after this trade.
You don't need to have 5 offensive threats on the floor to win. When the Spurs field a team of Bowen/Oberto/Duncan/Parker/Manu they really only have 3 people that can actually score.
Cry Havoc,
I wasn't making any spectacularly revelations with my comments. Which begs the question why even respond to them? As to answering the question whether I personally think it was a good trade for the Mavs: no, I don't think it was a good trade for the Mavs. Making irrefutable facts should not result in you questioning those facts. That was my point. I made a few comments about how it appears Dallas is more concerned about other teams than Spurs. I mention the Spurs 6th place status, Tony Parker's injury, and the Spurs remaining schedule. Those are all factors as to why Dallas may have felt that they need to worry about other teams and not the Spurs. Again, I didn't say it was right or wrong or that the trade was good or bad or that the Spurs won't make the playoffs. Those are all your ambitious attempts to read my mind. And, I don't know how responding to every single point you made as an indication that I don't have anything insightful to say. But, there you go reading way too deep into things. I was just done going back and forth over stupid . Of course, I have a horrible habit of responding when someone directs a post at me. But, go ahead and finish off your next soliloquy and rant. I don't have anything else to add at this point but to say while I generally enjoy a good argument, this one was not one of those times. Then again, this was not a good argument at all because you didn't really disagree with anything I wrote.
True, but it's a bit of a different situation. Oberto and Bowen both have places on the court they can hit from.
Also, I'm not sure if the Mavs have the players that will benefit as much as possible from Kidd. Howard is definitely going to be a beast now, as he cuts and can explode to the hoop well, but I'm not sure how Kidd and Dirk will work as a team.
How this trade hurts us.
-Shot blocking
-Speed
-Spacing
-Depth
-Future
This trade breaks my heart.
You're right. I should ignore posts about a huge NBA trade made on a discussion board. My mistake. Forgive me for wanting to talk about the ramifications of this.
And I was offering evidence as to why that's a stupid mindset to take, especially with the Spurs status as defending champions. If you aren't going to advocate for their viewpoint, why say anything at all? And if you DON'T agree with them, why get offended when I say that it doesn't make sense?I mention the Spurs 6th place status, Tony Parker's injury, and the Spurs remaining schedule. Those are all factors as to why Dallas may have felt that they need to worry about other teams and not the Spurs.
Actually, you seem to be taking the worst-possible scenario for the Spurs in every respect (Parker probably won't be back, they're the 6th seed) and telling Spurs to be "realistic", when I have seem very little homerism from most Spurs fans to this point. Forgive me for thinking you completely neutral, as you seem to be content to let Mavs fans rant about how they're lined up to get Miller (pure speculation).Again, I didn't say it was right or wrong or that the trade was good or bad or that the Spurs won't make the playoffs. Those are all your ambitious attempts to read my mind.
Calling out someone by using their handle on this site is the definition of pointless. It would be akin to me saying this trade makes no sense because Kidd probably can't "jam" anything anymore except maybe a "kidney stone". Does it even need to be said?And, I don't know how responding to every single point you made as
an indication that I don't have anything insightful to say. But, there you go reading way too deep into things. I was just done going back and forth over stupid .
[quote]Of course, I have a horrible habit of responding when someone directs a post at me. But, go ahead and finish off your next soliloquy and rant. I don't have anything else to add at this point but to say while I generally enjoy a good argument, this one was not one of those times./quote]
Wow. I didn't know a disagreement bothered you this much. I pesonally LOVE all the speculation going down now, and that we have essentially 3 brand new teams out West to follow. If you didn't "enjoy" it, why continue to post?
An argument isn't just contradiction.Then again, this was not a good argument at all because you didn't really disagree with anything I wrote.
"It can be."
No it can't. An argument is a connected series of statements intended to establish a proposition.
"No it isn't."
Yes it is! It's not just contradiction!
remember when tony parker owned kidd in 03, how's kidd gonna guard tony in 08?
I didn't realize so many teams were intimitaded by the Spurs.
This is Chris Broussard's take
I agree 100%Dallas is not going to reach the Finals as currently constructed. Now, if the Kidd trade goes through, the Mavs will be as formidable as anyone. One of the greatest benefits of getting Kidd would be the mental toughness he'd bring to the Mavs. Let's just be honest here: The Mavs have not won a le the past two seasons because they have been mentally soft.
The collapse against Miami. The shocker at the hands of the Warriors.
Those were heart issues, not basketball issues.
Now, all that could change. Kidd is as tough as they come on the hoop court, prevailing as much because of his mental toughness as his physical gifts. If Dallas gets beat with Kidd on its roster, it would happen because the other team is better. Not because the Mavs got punked.
"Now I think it's pretty much a done deal," Stackhouse told The Associated Press.
Stackhouse added that he may be able to rejoin Dallas within 30 days, an indication the Nets would buy out his contract.
"I feel great. I get 30 days to rest, then I'll be right back," he said. "I ain't going nowhere."
you only need one person on offense who can score, but you'll need all five to play defense.
i dont like this trade
And our biggest heart(Stack) is coming right back plus were getting Antoine Wright for a second round draft pick in a seperate deal. This a good deal for Dallas. Alot of people just read the headline or who is in the deal and collapse.
I'm thinking Tony McBoneSpurs isn't going to be a huge concern for any west opponents for the foreseeable future.So they give up their PG of the future, their "Duncan stopper", and their best bench player?
Woooooow. Interesting.
Just one thought.
Is there a player left in the West that can guard Parker?
See this is what I hate. I have to respond to your because you mischaracterize once again.
No, you should ignore posts that you don't disagree with instead of assuming that someone didn't actually post.
I can make comments on something without advocating for one side or another. This isn't an essay contest or a closing argument for a trial. It's a ing messageboard. And, just because I don't agree with something, it doesn't mean I can't analyze it from the differing point of view. Are there rules to the messageboard as to what posters can post about?And I was offering evidence as to why that's a stupid mindset to take, especially with the Spurs status as defending champions. If you aren't going to advocate for their viewpoint, why say anything at all? And if you DON'T agree with them, why get offended when I say that it doesn't make sense?
Please stop making assumptions and putting words in my mouth. Never once did I say Parker won't be back. Never once did I say the Spurs would finish with the 6th seed. I said Parker could have lingering effects from his injury. That's been stated in articles written by Spurs beat writers. And, saying the Spurs are the 6th seed was and is a fact. That's what they are. That's what they are. And, what does me not commenting on Mavs fans thinking the Mavs will get Mike Miller have anything to do with anything? My gosh. Where the are you coming from with this ?Actually, you seem to be taking the worst-possible scenario for the Spurs in every respect (Parker probably won't be back, they're the 6th seed) and telling Spurs to be "realistic", when I have seem very little homerism from most Spurs fans to this point. Forgive me for thinking you completely neutral, as you seem to be content to let Mavs fans rant about how they're lined up to get Miller (pure speculation).
You're that sensitive because I used a wordplay to end one of my posts? Cry me a ing river, Britney.Calling out someone by using their handle on this site is the definition of pointless. It would be akin to me saying this trade makes no sense because Kidd probably can't "jam" anything anymore except maybe a "kidney stone". Does it even need to be said?
Your disagreement bothers me very little. Your stupidity bothers me a whole of a lot more. I just explained why I continue to post. When someone directs a post at me, especially when it's filled with assumption and misinformation, I'm compelled to respond, as I have again just done.Wow. I didn't know a disagreement bothered you this much. I pesonally LOVE all the speculation going down now, and that we have essentially 3 brand new teams out West to follow. If you didn't "enjoy" it, why continue to post?
That's the thing. I didn't write my initial posts to get into any discussion or argument. You responded as if you had something to disagree about when in fact you didn't. You didn't disagree with anything I wrote. You made up that you thought I was thinking and then disagreed with those made-up assumptions. Get it?An argument isn't just contradiction.
"It can be."
No it can't. An argument is a connected series of statements intended to establish a proposition.
"No it isn't."
Yes it is! It's not just contradiction!
He matches up well with D-Will and Baron. He matches up not so good with Paul, Nash, and Parker. Parker isn't even playing right now, and he may be out for awhile. People underestimate how severe bone spurs are.
And all this talk about "who he doesn't match up well" with completely ignores the fact that Kidd is an amazing PG. Defense is surely important, but it's not like that's the only thing that matters.
The Phoenix and Mavs trades had very little to do with the Spurs as opposed to responding to what the Lakers did.
I didn't realize so many teams were intimitaded by the Spurs.
You're willing to bet a team's future on that, it seems. Jason McOldman has a few years on Duncan, even.
Our team's "future" as far as a le goes is about 3-4 more years. By the time Kidd is "done", Dirk will no longer be owning fools.
The Mavs aren't going to be a le contender forever. They go as far as Dirk takes them. The entire point of this trade is that the Mavs' FO is finally realizing that.
The mavs aren't le contenders anymore. Jason Kidd is so overrated these days. Watching New Jersey's offense the last couple of season is painful. Kidd has lost a step and still can't shoot. Dallas traded in their future and present with this trade. Watch and see.
I totally agree. He only averaged more than 10 points once in a season. He wasnt some assist machine like Paul or Nash. Nor was he that great of a defender. He was fast and could spread the floor but had a terrible jumpshot and was alot of times out of control and turnover prone. And with Stack back in this deal...this really helps out on the boards. Are we really loosing anything in Ager, George(who wanted out), and Diop. We all love Desagana in Dallas but he has ZERO offensive game and he wasnt some beast like Camby on the boards. Yes we are loosing defense with Diop out, but I think we can pay that toll. And Diop loved it here in Dallas and there is a possiblity we could always bring him back in the offseason as an unrestricted FA. This deal really kills us in size. It puts alot of weight on Dampier's shoulders. The mavs have to finalize this deal and the Antoine Wright deal with NJ, but there will still be some dealing left. We have to get another center by playoff time or we will get killed by Bynum, Duncan, Shaq, ect. Also Mike Miller is still a possibility. Maybe package someone with Hassell and picks. But getting a SG right now isnt our biggest priority. Getting someone in the post is.
What future???
George? Ager? Do you really think Diop is going to be something?
George and Ager are no better than Allen and Wright.
People are ragging that Kidd can't shoot, but really - when was he ever a lights out shooter? He's hovering somewhere around 40% for his career.
Harris? 2 first round draft picks? Cash?
btw cry havoc just got ing pwnd by jamstone
Seriously, three good months out of Devin Harris and we're treating this like we just lost the second coming of Oscar Robertson. Are you kidding me? He's been a competent PG in this league for HALF A SEASON. THAT IS IT. before that he was just a nice role player, and ALL MAVS FANS were calling Harris a "potential bust" because he couldn't even beat out Jason Terry for the starting PG job.
We're really this pissed off about losing a lottery pick who didn't figure out how to play PG until his 4th season? And for HALF A SEASON?
This trade is exactly the shot in the arm that the Mavericks needed. Maybe now we won't see Dirk mope around all game long like he has been this whole season.
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