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Didn't know he had finally came back.
Agreed they may NOT want Diop.
This is all assuming though that the Spurs would want Diop.
Kristic came back one week ago.
He is clearly in their future. A reason given for the Kidd trade was to be able to re-sign Kristic this summer without being in the Luxury tax area.
Nets have also Magloire and Swift.
Didn't know he had finally came back.
Agreed they may NOT want Diop.
This is all assuming though that the Spurs would want Diop.
Yes and assuming Spurs are ready to give up for Diop what Nets wants and find a third team to do the trade.
Another issue is that if Spurs do a trade like Barry+Elson+picks for Mike Miller, they won't have an expiring contract available for Diop. Spurs likely would have to find a team ready to trade Bonner for an expiring contract.
OK... pile of dog vs. pile of bear . Either way, both stink.
I think this deal is better than the 1st one when it comes to us Spurs fans. 1st off Stack was going back to Dallas anyway so getting rid of Hassel is a bonus for us, since him and George equally suck lol, Ager is lost for Dallas who could have developed into something good one day, we dont have to worry about Diop and Harris anymore, sending Van Horn now costs Dallas more money meaning they cant be a player in the Mike Miller sweepstakes or also getting another big! They're ed! lol.
Cmon now, he did get three Rookie of the Year votes that year
According to ESPN, Dallas is also handing over two first-round picks, aside from the players.
Looks like Thorn took advantage of the whole controversy to squeeze out some more stuff from Cuban.
Those picks were originally part of the deal
My bad, then. Carry on.
I agree with everything you said except about Ager. I've watched the dude many times and he's a bonafide SCRUB.
Ager is worthless. Once you subtract away the scrubs that don't get any burn, it's essentially Harris and Diop for Kidd.
yup. its essentially harris, diop, and 2 1sts for kidd. still a bit of a high price considering what disgruntled, marquee players have been going for the last couple of years though (iverson, carter, gasol).
Vince Carter and Pau Gasol were given away by ty gms that didn't know what they were doing. The Nuggets gave up Andre Miller and frankly I don't think they're any better than they were. Rod Thorn isn't Chris Wallace or Rob Bab , Mavs weren't going to be fleecing him.
oh, i agree. just that these kinds of things do tend to follow the trends. i just would have thought that with a player (kidd) publicly calling out team management to trade him, the value might have been a bit lower. the deal is by no means unreasonable, just seems to be a bit too reasonable, considering the particular situation and previous events.
The two #1 picks bother me, but I guess Cuban figures they'll be in the twenties and not that valuable.
I think there's an "under the table" agreement between Mavs and Nets stipulating that NJ won't trade Diop to SA.
I really don't see Dallas taking the rysk to let him go to San Antonio.
There can't be an under the table agreement like that. WTF do the Nets have to gain out of it?
There are such agreements in trades.
Diop will be as useless as Rasho/Nazr against Mavs.
I don't think Mavs really care if Spurs got Diop.
If Mavs rather face Spurs than Lakers/Suns, they could even like a deal that strengthen Spurs against these teams.
Saying that, an under the table agreement is always possible.
Kidd 10+ rebs everytime he faces the spurs
Tony and Manu 2 rebs at max (combine)
So Mavs will be contender for max two years, then rebuilding. Two 1st round picks is stupid! Like whole trade is.
Diop was in AJ's doghouse a lot this year. Not sure why since he was playing well when he got minutes. I think AJ fell a little too in love with Bass.
I seriously doubt the Mavs would care if the Spurs got him through trade or if he's waived.
dallas' first round picks are hit or miss at best. you can have fazekas.So Mavs will be contender for max two years, then rebuilding. Two 1st round picks is stupid! Like whole trade is.
I don't know if we are going to be willing to try and get Diop. I would if I was management. However, I will say that a Mike Miller deal is a fantasy... We won't do that to our cap issues. Particularly as that would have us paying 9 million to a 4th option. We simply will not run that way. IF we do a Barry + Elson trade, it will be for a shorter, cheaper contract than Miller's (or multiple contracts that are either shorter, cheaper, or both...).
Spurs going after Miller has been reported by Ludden, It's almost sure that it has happened. Calling that fantasy is kinda living in denial.
Whether or not you understand it, Spurs have tried and are maybe still trying to get Mike Miller.
I think that Spurs going after Mike Milller makes a lot of sense, especially when you consider the 2010 plan. I think Spurs have a remote chance to get him but I see nothing illogical in Spurs trying to get him.
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