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  1. #126
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    The Spurs signed Jackie Butler to a $9 mil deal and then had to package one of their talented European players with him to move him, because of that deal.

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    Bravo!

    We signed Robert Horry.

    Well done.
    And Finley and Barry and Kerr and Elie and Kersey and Ferry etc...

    The Spurs aren't going to have a supporting cast filled with All-Stars. I'd rather have a Robert Horry or a Brent Barry on that bench instead of some untested player in the postseason.

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    That's fine.

    No one is arguing that the veterans are vital to the team's success.

    It would be wonderful to obtain a starting-quality player (not a star) via a free agent signing or a trade... not off waivers or because no one else wants the player.

    Just once.

    One time.

    Una vez.

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    That's fine.

    No one is arguing that the veterans are vital to the team's success.

    It would be wonderful to obtain a starting-quality player (not a star) via a free agent signing or a trade
    Hedo Turkoglu
    Bruce Bowen
    Nazr Mohammed
    Rasho Nesterovic
    Michael Finley
    Brent Barry

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    You're kidding, right.

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    You're kidding, right.

    You said 'non stars' and starting quality, no?

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    Wow.

    We are worlds apart.

    Starting quality for who?

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    All of those guys currently start/have started for the Spurs.

    What exactly is "starting quality" and how does it not end up defining an All-Star?

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    The fact that those bench role players have started for the Spurs underscores my point exactly.

    The Spurs can't acquire starting quality players from other teams or via free agency.

    Now here's an opportunity to do so for an undervalued, risky player in Artest for expiring contracts and a pick and you balk.

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    The fact that those bench role players have started for the Spurs underscores my point exactly.

    The Spurs can't acquire starting quality players from other teams or via free agency.

    Now here's an opportunity to do so for an undervalued, risky player in Artest for expiring contracts and a pick and you balk.
    Is Turkoglu not starting?

    Plus, I didn't realize that they had to still be starting in the NBA today. Derek Anderson was signed as a free agent and started for the Spurs.

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    Derek Anderson and Hedo Turkoglu.

    Okay, you got me.

    The front office is awesome at obtaining talent outside of the draft.

    Just not keeping it.

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    Yeah, under the new rules we could actually have kept Turkoglu.

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    So the Spurs should have kept Turkoglu because even though the cost to re-sign him was significant and his playoff production was weak, he was acquired via a trade.

    Got it.

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    If you are done digressing, Holt's Cat, I'd like to try and add a great player to the Big Three.

    Trading expiring contracts and a first rounder for a risky star like Artest is a chance that I am willing to take for a franchise not known to be able to get the same quality outside of the draft.

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    If you are done digressing, Holt's Cat, I'd like to try and add a great player to the Big Three.
    1. Haven't digressed.
    2. Wouldn't we all? , I'd like to see the Spurs add LeBron James. Stop aiming so low.



    Trading expiring contracts and a first rounder for a risky star like Artest is a chance that I am willing to take for a franchise not known to be able to get the same quality outside of the draft.
    The Spurs don't panic. You panic. There's no need to take on that sideshow. The Spurs aren't the Nuggets. They don't need to make risky moves to close the gap between themselves and the best in the league. The Spurs are the best in the league.

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    Trading expiring contracts and a first rounder for a risky star like Artest is a chance that I am willing to take for a franchise not known to be able to get the same quality outside of the draft.
    Nobody is stopping you from doing that in your fantasy league. I'm just glad you're not the Spurs GM.

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    "Starting quality" is sort of like "restaurant quality..."

    What if it's a crappy restaurant?

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    I think Artest can make the best... better.

    And the risk is worth the potential reward.

    Barry, Elson and the 1st rounder would all likely not be here next year anyway.

    Agree to disagree.

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    Well, if the Spurs keep the pick, there is really nothing on the payroll or roster keeping the Spurs from having that player play next season.

    That said, I'm still fine with trading it. I just think Petrie is holding out for more now, just like Wallace.

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    Well, if the Spurs keep the pick, there is really nothing on the payroll or roster keeping the Spurs from having that player play next season.

    That said, I'm still fine with trading it. I just think Petrie is holding out for more now, just like Wallace.
    That player if they decided to have him on the active roster would be #12 on the depth chart.

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    That player if they decided to have him on the active roster would be #12 on the depth chart.
    And?

    We only have eight players under contract next season. I'm just saying if we keep the pick, that player probably be on the team next season.

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    And I am saying that he probably won't contribute, so I could care less if we trade the pick away.

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    The Spurs have cost themselves a Josh Howard, at a minimum, by disregarding draft picks in the pursuit of a free agent. They cost themselves the shot at a David Lee by giving away a couple of draft picks in a trade.

    Last year the Spurs kept their pick and were able to land of the best, if not the best bigmen in Europe. Their 1st round pick from '05, an ultra athletic big, will likely be joining the team next season. Those picks have value.

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    Good.

    Let's play Tiago and Splitter and send next year's pick to Sac-Town along with expiring contracts to bring in a devalued star now.

    Win now.

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    Let's play Tiago and Splitter

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