Who Do You Like to Guard Dirk?

[Findog]

Ironically enough...Kidd had a good coach and ran him out of town for a yesman...Kidd doesn't seem to get along well with disciplinarian type coaches....and seems to prefer yes men even if it costs him finals appearances and makes his team suck so bad he forces a trade....after he demands a trade to get the yesman in there in the first place



Goodbye Mavs...it was fun while it lasted


I mean that sincerely... Goodbye

Douglas McArthur: "On to the Yalu. We'll be home by Christmas."

[whottt]

I personally wouldn't mind Kidd running Avery out of town.

Us either


Let us know if there's anything we can do to help...

[mavsfan1000]

Ironically enough...Kidd had a good coach and ran him out of town for a yesman...Kidd doesn't seem to get along well with disciplinarian type coaches....and seems to prefer yes men even if it costs him finals appearances and makes his team suck so bad he forces a trade....after he demands a trade to get the yesman in there in the first place



Goodbye Mavs...it was fun while it lasted


I mean that sincerely... Goodbye

Yeah Kidd was just horrible getting to the finals twice with a weak team when Kenyon Martin is your best scorer.

[td4mvp21]

I personally wouldn't mind Kidd running Avery out of town.

Why? He's a pretty good coach if you ask me, he's the only reason the Mavs got to legitimate contender status in the first place. He got the team to start playing defense.

[spurs_fan_in_exile]

Douglas McArthur: "On to the Yalu. We'll be home by Christmas."

Jerry Stackhouse quoted Douglas MacArthur right after the first attempt at the Kidd trade and got into trouble.

[whottt]

Yeah Kidd was just horrible getting to the finals twice with a weak team when Kenyon Martin is your best scorer.

Even the 03 Mavs would have made the Finals coming from the East



Even this years Mavs would have made the 03 Finals coming from the East

[Findog]

Why? He's a pretty good coach if you ask me, he's the only reason the Mavs got to legitimate contender status in the first place. He got the team to start playing defense.

Yes, he is a damn good coach. He's a great motivator. He retooled the team by making them care about defense. We wouldn't have accomplished as much as we have without making an effort to become a team that can consistently get stops. But Joe Dumars wasn't gun-shy about firing a very good coach to bring in a great one. And I'm not saying I want Larry Brown in Dallas, but I'll put it this way: Pat Riley and Nellie would've won those series whether they had Dallas' roster or their own. And I'm not saying that I want Nellie back, but I DO want a coach that won't get worked over like a punching bag in the playoffs.

[Findog]

Us either


Let us know if there's anything we can do to help...

It's half in jest. I think Avery is a very good coach, but he's under the gun after the curbstompings he took at the hands of Nellie and Riley. Those two coaches could've won with Dallas' roster, that's how bad they worked Avery over.

[mavsfan1000]

Even the 03 Mavs would have made the Finals coming from the East



Even this years Mavs would have made the 03 Finals coming from the East

They took your team to 6 very tough games. Yeah Kidd got that team to overachieve as they barely had any perimeter offense so the Spurs could pack it in. For Kidd being such a liability, you would think the Spurs would've scored more in that series.

[td4mvp21]

Yes, he is a damn good coach. He's a great motivator. He retooled the team by making them care about defense. We wouldn't have accomplished as much as we have without making an effort to become a team that can consistently get stops. But Joe Dumars wasn't gun-shy about firing a very good coach to bring in a great one. And I'm not saying I want Larry Brown in Dallas, but I'll put it this way: Pat Riley and Nellie would've won those series whether they had Dallas' roster or their own. And I'm not saying that I want Nellie back, but I DO want a coach that won't get worked over like a punching bag in the playoffs.

Fair enough

But Joe Dumars wasn't gun-shy about firing a very good coach to bring in a great one.

Please tell me you're talking about firing Rick Carlisle and hiring Larry Brown, rather than firing Larry Brown and hiring Flip Saunders

[whottt]

Yeah Kidd was just horrible getting to the finals twice with a weak team when Kenyon Martin is your best scorer.

Oh yeah...and Kidd didn't like that coach and got him fired...something about him being too authoritarian...and sucked thereafter.

Not much chance of any thing like that happening in Dallas right...


Nah...no authoritarian coaches in Dallas are there

[ChumpDumper]

They took your team to 6 very tough games. Yeah Kidd got that team to overachieve as they barely had any perimeter offense so the Spurs could pack it in. For Kidd being such a liability, you would think the Spurs would've scored more in that series.

They had a very good coach. Pretty much a , but a very good coach. He was smart enough to take Kidd off of Parker after all....just not smart enough to take him off of Speedy Claxton too.

[mavsfan1000]

Oh yeah...and Kidd didn't like that coach and got him fired...something about him being too authoritarian...and sucked thereafter.

Not much chance of any thing like that happening in Dallas right...


Nah...no authoritarian coaches in Dallas are there

I'll take my chances and say Kidd won't do that here.

[whottt]

They took your team to 6 very tough games. Yeah Kidd got that team to overachieve as they barely had any perimeter offense so the Spurs could pack it in. For Kidd being such a liability, you would think the Spurs would've scored more in that series.

LOL...that team was built around Duncan, a 20 year old PG, a gimpy Argie rookie, a career journeyman with at ude problems, a broken down HOF center who had trouble walking after back to back games...

And those were the good players on that team.


It aint 2003 anymore bud...for Kidd either.

[whottt]

I'll take my chances and say Kidd won't do that here.

Awesome...maybe you can tell me why he did it there...

[ChumpDumper]

I'll take my chances and say Kidd won't do that here.

I think the main reason he won't do that here is that he doesn't have the same pull as he did in New Jersey.

That and AJ will probably be fired after the Mavs are eliminated again without Kidd's having to say a word.

[whottt]

It's half in jest. I think Avery is a very good coach, but he's under the gun after the curbstompings he took at the hands of Nellie and Riley. Those two coaches could've won with Dallas' roster, that's how bad they worked Avery over.

Those two coaches wouldn't have beaten the Spurs with Dallas' roster. , Nelly couldn't beat us with a better roster.


I'm not the biggest AJ fan in the world...but you guys hired him to beat the Spurs...and he's done just that.

[mavsfan1000]

LOL...that team was built around Duncan, a 20 year old PG, a gimpy Argie rookie, a career journeyman with at ude problems, a broken down HOF center who had trouble walking after back to back games...

And those were the good players on that team.


It aint 2003 anymore bud...for Kidd either.

You forgot Stephen Jackson, Speedy Claxton, and Malik Rose. Whatever suits your grey and black tinted glasses. Parker relies on speed like he always had so he was already good at 20. A 60 win team that year. Duncan in his prime as well btw.

[whottt]

That and AJ will probably be fired after the Mavs are eliminated again without Kidd's having to say a word.

I'm saying Dirk will beat Kidd to the punch...

[mavsfan1000]

Awesome...maybe you can tell me why he did it there...

Byron Scott is a . That's why. Avery might be strict but he is a nice guy.

[Findog]

Those two coaches wouldn't have beaten the Spurs with Dallas' roster. , Nelly couldn't beat us with a better roster.


I'm not the biggest AJ fan in the world...but you guys hired him to beat the Spurs...and he's done just that.

You don't get a ring for just beating the Spurs. And the 2003 Spurs were better than the 2003 Mavs, that's why the series turned out the way it did, especially with Dirk's injury. Those Mavs had more offensive firepower, but they didn't have a low-post force like Duncan, and they weren't very good defensively. They got as far as they did with zones and basically smoke and mirrors.

[whottt]

You forgot Stephen Jackson,

I mentioned him...

Speedy Claxton,

He didn't become a factor until he had Jason Kidd defending

and Malik Rose.

True...I forgot Malik...add one 6'5 C/PF who has been on the IR for every team he played for other than the Spurs to my earlier description.

Whatever suits your grey and black tinted glasses. Parker relies on speed like he always had so he was already good at 20. A 60 win team that year btw. Duncan in his prime as well btw.

Actually...Duncan's probably more in his prime now than he was then.

[whottt]

You don't get a ring for just beating the Spurs.

You don't get a ring without beating us either ...who the s league do you think this is?

You know what teams have beaten us in the last 7 years? The Mavs...and the Lakers, and that's it.

And the 2003 Spurs were better than the 2003 Mavs, that's why the series turned out the way it did,

I don't really think they were...they just weren't as soft...AJ's what stopped you guys from being soft. Kinda...

[Warlord23]

Of all the random arguing going on in this thread, I think Whott nailed it:

Dallas beat SA in 2006 because they ran iso-plays. They'd use a screen or two to get a mismatch, but iso was their key ingredient. The Spurs' D thrives against passing-oriented offenses. AJ knows this best, so all he did was isolate his best weapons 1-on-1.

Now the Mavs' easiest points come when they get out faster on transition with Kidd looking to create an easy bucket for Dirk or Dampier or whoever else. Believe me, the Spurs play best against that type of offense (see Phoenix). Kidd + scoring weapons is like Nash + scoring weapons, except:
a) Nash is a better shooter so you cant sag off of him. With Kidd the Spurs are going to dare him to beat them. They're going to stay home on Terry and Stack and give Kidd the look.
b) Amare is way more athletic inside than any Mavs finisher (Dampier, Dirk, Howard). You're not getting any easy points inside.

If Avery goes for the iso stuff they're still going to leave Kidd alone and bring help from the weak side. Should be good stuff, especially since the Spurs seemed to have picked up their D in the last few games.

Dallas will no doubt rebound well, but that won't be enough.

[mavsfan1000]

Actually...Duncan's probably more in his prime now than he was then.

Not that you had any credibilty to begin but that statement gave me insurance that you are an idiot. Duncan was incredible that year. Much more mobile than he is now.