A More Perfect Union

[JoeChalupa]

Joe, you consider Obama an honorable man? How is he
honorable? Explain this to me.

I would get blue in the face trying to explain it and you know as well as I do you've made up your mind. In my book you don't have to wear a pin on your lapel to be a man of honor.
I don't need your approval to find honor in someone.
Obama has had his say and it is time to move on.

[RandomGuy]

No RG, you know what I noticed more than anything,
not that he threw his Grandmother under the bus, but
that he acknowledged she loved him and help raise him
and made him cringe.........but not once, not one damn
time did he acknowledge he loved her or respected her.

That is something I noticed. Did you?

(shrugs)
His feelings for his grandmother are quite plain in his book. His love for her wasn't the point that he was trying to make. I don't read anything into it, as I already have sufficient data to know what the guy thinks.

[SA210]

Brilliant.

[xrayzebra]

I would get blue in the face trying to explain it and you know as well as I do you've made up your mind. In my book you don't have to wear a pin on your lapel to be a man of honor.
I don't need your approval to find honor in someone.
Obama has had his say and it is time to move on.

Joe you are absolutely correct. You don't need my approval
for anything, as well as I don't need yours.

Again you are correct. I would not vote for Hillary or Obama if they were the only ones running.

But I find neither of them honorable. You say Obama
says it is time to move on. What is he moving on to?
More of the same old programs? He has offered nothing
new. Nothing.

[xrayzebra]

(shrugs)
His feelings for his grandmother are quite plain in his book. His love for her wasn't the point that he was trying to make. I don't read anything into it, as I already have sufficient data to know what the guy thinks.

What was his point in bringing her up then. That she was
white and racist?

[JoeChalupa]

What was his point in bringing her up then. That she was
white and racist?

I don't think so. That she has the same stereotypes as others do. Not one of us is innocent of having racial stereotypes, while not necessarrily being a racist, from time to time. It happens and to ignore that fact is ignorance.

[Holt's Cat]

What was his point in bringing her up then. That she was
white and racist?

Why can't he write a book about his life and mention his grandmother?

[Extra Stout]

I'm a sad, bitter little because I know John Edwards could never pull off a speech like that.

[PixelPusher]

Poor thing...all tuckered out from spending all night cross referencing Obama's speech with anything John Edwards ever uttered.

[Ignignokt]

We stood then like Moses, infront of the dead sea....., seeing a sea divided so that a certain generation of people could pass through to escape strife, poverty, and slavery....... But now we have made progress!

We are on higher ground.....

and it is time to seal that division for which we through faith walked for so many years in the desert looking for our souls.

Because with a sea no longer divided......

but with a sea now in unity...

can we wash away the enemy and put them behind us once and for all......

[Ignignokt]

see, i too can make corny allegories and speak about race matters.

I too am an agent of change.....



.....PFFFFFFFFTT!!!

blow me!

[Extra Stout]

see, i too can make corny allegories and speak about race matters.

I too am an agent of change.....



.....PFFFFFFFFTT!!!

blow me!

Your M.Div. diploma is in the mail.

[JoeChalupa]

see, i too can make corny allegories and speak about race matters.

I too am an agent of change.....



.....PFFFFFFFFTT!!!

blow me!

[MannyIsGod]

I really doubt I would for for Clinton should she win PeeWee. I'm not sure I'd vote for McCain either. I'm not sure who I'd vote for.

My vote for president usually comes down to more than platforms on social programs because that is the place where presidents usually have the least control. The ability of congress to come together enough to pass universal healthcare in a form that either candidate lays out is seriously in question at any point. They can both lay out grand plans in that regard but they probably will not be able to get things done. They may get a program or 2 but huge reform is something that is very difficult for me to see happening.

The ability to lead a country however, is something the president will have to do. What choices they will make in regards to our foreign policies and military involvements are much more important to me, and I believe Obama has a leg up on both of the others.

You realize that this is moot, because regardless of what is being reported for ratings sake, Obama has for all intents and purposes won the the nomination.

[smeagol]

This would be my first.

I would have never guessed it . . .

[JoeChalupa]

I really doubt I would for for Clinton should she win PeeWee. I'm not sure I'd vote for McCain either. I'm not sure who I'd vote for.

My vote for president usually comes down to more than platforms on social programs because that is the place where presidents usually have the least control. The ability of congress to come together enough to pass universal healthcare in a form that either candidate lays out is seriously in question at any point. They can both lay out grand plans in that regard but they probably will not be able to get things done. They may get a program or 2 but huge reform is something that is very difficult for me to see happening.

The ability to lead a country however, is something the president will have to do. What choices they will make in regards to our foreign policies and military involvements are much more important to me, and I believe Obama has a leg up on both of the others.

You realize that this is moot, because regardless of what is being reported for ratings sake, Obama has for all intents and purposes won the the nomination.

Good points. I concur. Obama is in position to win the nomination. It is truly up to the Super Delegates and if they will stand with Obama or bail to the "more electable" argument that Hillary will no doubt be pushing.

[peewee's lovechild]

I really doubt I would for for Clinton should she win PeeWee. I'm not sure I'd vote for McCain either. I'm not sure who I'd vote for.

My vote for president usually comes down to more than platforms on social programs because that is the place where presidents usually have the least control. The ability of congress to come together enough to pass universal healthcare in a form that either candidate lays out is seriously in question at any point. They can both lay out grand plans in that regard but they probably will not be able to get things done. They may get a program or 2 but huge reform is something that is very difficult for me to see happening.

The ability to lead a country however, is something the president will have to do. What choices they will make in regards to our foreign policies and military involvements are much more important to me, and I believe Obama has a leg up on both of the others.

You realize that this is moot, because regardless of what is being reported for ratings sake, Obama has for all intents and purposes won the the nomination.

I can respect what you're saying here, though I doubt Obama is as genuine as he portrays himself.

But, I respect where you're coming from.

As for Obama winning the nomination, it's not over yet . . . really.

If both candidates don't reach the required number of elected delegates to win the nomination, and it all point to that happening, it's all up to the Super Delegates.

[peewee's lovechild]

I would have never guessed it . . .

This would be the first presidential election where I don't vote if my candidate isn't nominated.

Where's the joke in that?

[Don Quixote]

The ability to lead a country however, is something the president will have to do. What choices they will make in regards to our foreign policies and military involvements are much more important to me, and I believe Obama has a leg up on both of the others.

How so? I think it's pretty much agreed that Obama is the most gifted public speaker in a generation (in politics anyway). But in what ways would Obama support our domestic and foreign interests better than would Hillary or McCain?