Robinson
Duncan
dbreiden...in answer to your question...greatness?
Tim Duncan is the greater basketball player...but not for reasons that would give him an edge in a one on one matchup...it's not as simple as you want it to be.
Championships matter when discussing greatness, as does public opinion and acclaim...
But from an individual standpoint David Robinson just might have been the greatest team carrier in NBA history..there is substantial evidence to indicate he was. I mean talking about carrying weak teams to the playoffs...not just in the NBA but in college as well...you could argue he did it the 88 Olympics as well.
David Robinson was an insanely difficult matchup for any C in the NBA one on one, including Hakeem and Shaq...and he was one of the best defensive C's in the history of the game....and I mean he is on the short list.
Like I said..the only 2 guys in NBA history to win a scoring le and a DPOY...are Michael Jordan..and David Robinson...
That's not too shabby for a guy that, "didn't even like the game".
I don't get into these things to rip Duncan...but dumb s need to stop ripping the Admiral...questioning his hear, or his commitment to the Spurs and San Antonio...they are ing ignorant to do that. And David Robinson is going to get his due on Spursboards and from Spursfans if it is hte last thing I do.
I am used to ESPN and big media doing it...for they do it still to this day...
But when you constantly see them overlooking the Spurs and downplaying their achievements...that is exactly what was done to David Robinson as well...only to a much worse degree, and it is inexcusable for Spurfans to be a party to it...if you never saw him play in his prime, just say so.
How many times do you want me to say this?? I never said once that Timmy would own D-Rob in that area, i never said that. I said i think they would both do well off eachother. I might favor Tim slightly but i know damn well if they play 10 times David is going to get his games. He is too great a player not too. I as well feel Tim is the better player in the team game. I know D-Rob is one the best big men ever, he is far too accomplished to feel otherwise.
Then our debate is over and my work here is done
As you were...
72-72
dun dun dun!
And yes...winning championships were unquestionably more important to Tim Duncan than David Robinson, in fact one of the last statements uttered by David Robinson as a Spur was...Championships do not define you...he said as the Spurs were celebrating their 03 championship.
That doesn't mean Drob was the reason he didn't win more of them. You stick Manu ing Ginobili on the 95 Spurs and it's hard for me to envision a scenario where they don't beat the Rockets that year...
And they'd have beaten the Magic if they had gotten by the Rockets....the Magic got swept...and Shaq was David's then.
Speed Kills:
Be sure to check out how many blocks per game the Admiral was averaging...
Last edited by whottt; 03-23-2008 at 01:39 AM.
whottt a thread !
Well first of all I want to say tjhat playing basketball is not an athletic contest, even one on one. That's why Wilt was losing to Bill's teams. Wilt was such an athletic freak that it was insaine. But you could write a failure on his jersey and it would suite. Well maybe I put too much color on it but I like Russells basketball better then Wilts.
One thing said - you can put failure on Dave as well. But there is more to it looking at the basketball as a game of many pieces.
That's why I put Duncan higher on basketball player standards in every way.
As for 1-1 it is still more a mind game then a body abilieties game.
Dave once said- when you win a video game against Tim you may be sure he will be back stronger , cause he will be practicing so hard and so long to figure out how to win, and he will (not excactly the phrase, but you know what does that mean).
So I think that TD would have much more chances to win then whott thinks. Taking away the aspect of the breaks in a team game ( ing computer dammmit) [sorry for that]
many daves abilieties are taken away in one on one situation. Robbo would have to count on his fade aways, his jumpshot and faking TD and beating him with spead. Both guys have good ball handling but TD got better both hands. Daves 1-1 D was questioned and denied by Hakeem.
Okay hold on whott, that was only one series I know
Hold on 2 - Hakeem had a big load of 3pt shooters (I will bring the stats later)
INOMY Dave was better help defender then a 1-1 defender
Tim was a better team defender then 1-1 defender
Who was better 1-1 defender of them? It’s hard to tell IMO it is slight difference and even when you want to take that aspect on someone’s advantage in 1-1 game (not 1-1 situation) that will be hardly an edge you want consider to be superb in that 1-1 game.
So whottt I think it is not that clear that Dave would demolish TD.
Last edited by polandprzem; 03-23-2008 at 07:53 AM. Reason: edit because of fucked up com at work
Half of a text went out cause of this ty comp
In the 1994 season Ellis was shooting 39.5% (131/332) what was not bad, and he made 1.7 basket from 3 pt land. Next one was the famous Del Negro with 0.2 basket a game!
Same year in the playoffs Ellis was 5 of 17, spurs played 4 games and they made 12 of 39 shots (30.8%) - thay made 3 3point shots per game
Additional the rebounds:
mings 6.3 – playoff - (5.0 regular)
Reid 3.0reb/game – playoff (3.1 regular)
Houston 1994 playoff
Shooters:
Maxwell 45/138
Horry 34/89
Smith 34/76
Cassell 17/45
Ellie 10/32
Together : 140/380 36.8%
6 3pt shots made a game
1995
Rebounds (other then Rodman):
Playoff Reid 2.8 , mings 2.1
Regular 4.9 oraz 5.0 respectivly
Shooters (regular):
Elliott 136/333 40,8%
Del Negro 66/162 40,7%
Person 172/445 38,7%
In playoff 59/166 (35.5%) they made 3.9 basket a game.
Rodman 0/5 , Rob 1/5, rest 0/3
Houston same year (playoff):
Drexler 30/99
Horry 44/110
Cassell 24/60
Smith 46/104
Elie 28/65
Chillcut 14/36
All shooters 186/474 39,2%
Houston made 8.5 triple a game !
this poll is not fair, half the fans in here never saw DRob play when he was in his prime.
So?
You want to do the tests? (who watched and who didn't?)
the point is, if you did not watch them both in their primes night in night out, then you whould not have a valid opinion on this matter....
People got their opinions.
IMO all the polls are not right.
For excample on that one. How much games do you want people to see in Admirals prime?
I haven't seen much of those games I must say, but Am I making worse opinions (arguments) then those who saw Dave play and still thinks he is a big pussy cause he never lead his team to sucess, his stats were droping in the playoffs and he was destroyed by The Dream.
Even on the facts people got their own standards.
The only thing that ever gets accomplished on a Tim vs David thread is a +80 to Whottt's post count and +40 to his HDL Cholesterol.
Sorry but Duncan is better than D-Rob. Duncan is quicker.
Though duncan is the better PLAYER ...especially post moves wise ...Admiral would win he has way more athelticisim ...than Timmy ever had was a better shot-blocker, stealer of teh ball ..and those would come in to play more often 1 on 1 every extra possession could mean a basket for Robinson ...and as far as the comments about what Dream did to the Admiral in the WCF Duncan is HOF but he aint no Olajawon ...1 on1 Hakeem shakes em both ...
Lets not forget David has back problems during those games against Hakeem
however I agree Tim would take him because DR never really had "A Shot" and
all you had to do against David was play him physically
Whottt.... you know I disagree with you about most of this but I got this...
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I disagree. Dave had a good shot.
He could hit from every angle front basket baseline shots, bankers, fade aways was superb. He could only be afected by phisical defense.
Duncan 7-0
THe only thing that kept David down was his teammates. He never had any. Come on, he took a team of Avery, Del Negro, Elliot, Rodman to 62 wins and a Rodman up from the finals (where they would've beaten Orlando).
You give Drob, Parker, Manu, Bowen. THe team wins 70+ every yr. Duncan has a better offensive low post game. But Drob was a freak who never had a decent team around him.
this one is TOUGH.....but i gotta go with Tim
11-9
Not reliably. Once in a blue moon, Sean Eliot, Willie Anderson (before the calf problems), or Rod Strickland could go off. I don't think DRob ever played with anyone else who was even a threat to carry a team, and none of those was too serious a threat.
For the original topic. DRob wins. Probably very close, since in Tim's younger days he had pretty dang good lateral movement (remember, he would be asked to guard point guards at times in his first few years and could stay in front of them), and it's really only the last 3-4 that he's developped foot problems and slowed down. I still think David's athleticism wins out in 1-on-1.
This is one of the more stupid debates. It's not even a debate. Robinson would destroy Duncan in his prime for sure!. Who do you think taught Duncan half of what he knows?.. Remember, Robinson was as fundamental as he was athletic. And he was one of the most physically fit athletes the game has ever seen! Duncan wouldn't stand a chance. All you haters don't give D-Rob enough credit, which is sad. He's the one that single handedly saved the entire franchise! Show some respect!
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