Do people honestly think that Manu is the MVP of this team?

[Galileo]

Is this not a forum for NBA junkies? Do people here not know that defense wins championships?

Bruce Bowen is more valuable than Manu. Bowen plays lock down D, and hits corner threes, that's what you need.

Any team can find a good scorer off the bench.

[peskypesky]

One thing i'm noticing throughout this thread, the only people unwilling to believe that Manu could possibly be the MVP just this one season are those with the following in their usernames:

duncan
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tim

add me to the list. Tim Duncan is the MVP of the Spurs year in, year out.

[Cherry]

I already did. It's most valuable player. I gave my reasonings and I'm not discussing it anymore because I get called biased and a hater.

wait wait!
I change my question. I want to know what a MVP is (in any team sport)

[DAF86]

Defense. Without Manu, the Spurs' offense will surely suffer. But the D will not be affected. The same can be said about our rebounding.

what are you talking about? manu's one of the best defenders guards in the league and one of the best rebounding guards also. just look at the numbers 5 rebounds in 30 min per game. that's great for a guard

[Warlord23]

Eh, I think Parker was number 2. He was wildly inconsistent but he had some nice games in the playoffs, as did Sjax. Sjax wasn't exactly Mr. Consistent either. But even so, none of those players were even close to who they are today.

I'd beg to differ. The point was whether Manu/Tony were replaceable. Well Speedy did in fact "replace" Tony, so to speak, in the finals. And Speedy was one of the sorrier PGs in the L. There were a dozen or more guards who could have played TP's role that year. Same goes for 2003 Manu.

[Warlord23]

what are you talking about? manu's one of the best defenders guards in the league and one of the best rebounding guards also. just look at the numbers 5 rebounds in 30 min per game. that's great for a guard

I'm just saying that a guy with 10 All-defensive team selections is a more important part of our defense than Manu. That doesn't mean Manu is bad at D. It means that the Spurs team D is good with or without Manu. Without Duncan our team D will be porous

[DAF86]

Is this not a forum for NBA junkies? Do people here not know that defense wins championships?

Bruce Bowen is more valuable than Manu. Bowen plays lock down D, and hits corner threes, that's what you need.

Any team can find a good scorer off the bench.

what are you talking about? manu's one of the best defensive guards on the league and one of the best rebounding guards also. just look at the stats 5 rebounds in 30 min per game. that's great for a guard

i'm used to see manu beign underated but not by spur fans

[Kori Ellis]

what are you talking about? manu's one of the best defenders guards in the league and one of the best rebounding guards also. just look at the numbers 5 rebounds in 30 min per game. that's great for a guard

Manu is awesome. But he's not one of the best defending guards in the league. He's probably not even the top half in one-on-one D.

[Kori Ellis]

And as to address the thread, Manu will never be considered by many as an MVP because of the fact that it's very difficult for him to play major minutes. He's freakin' incredible right now but his style of play doesn't allow him to play major minutes over the course of a season. He plays too hard and he'll get exhausted and ineffective.

That said, I wouldn't trade Manu right now for anyone. He's in an amazing zone - particularly when the Spurs really need him.

[doldrums]

And as to address the thread, Manu will never be considered by many as an MVP because of the fact that it's very difficult for him to play major minutes. He's freakin' incredible right now but his style of play doesn't allow him to play major minutes over the course of a season. He plays too hard and he'll get exhausted and ineffective.

That said, I wouldn't trade Manu right now for anyone. He's in an amazing zone - particularly when the Spurs really need him.

Not even for Mo Williams

[DAF86]

Manu is awesome. But he's not one of the best defending guards in the league. He's probably not even the top half in one-on-one D.

yes, yes he is. he's a good one-on-one defender but he's even better on team defense (rotation, boxing out,etc.)

[Kori Ellis]

yes, yes he is. he's a good one-on-one defender but he's even better on team defense (rotation, boxing out,etc.)

He's actually a bad one-on-one defender, which is why Pop has to hide him on D on the worst perimeter players. He's a very good help defender and see the passing lanes very well. But he's a bad one-on-one defender - most everyone knows that.

[Kori Ellis]

Anyway, I wasn't intending to trash Manu. He's playing incredible basketball right now. However, some people should realize that he does have some shortcomings - like every player does.

Offensively, he's incredibly efficient in his minutes - it's astounding.

However, Tim's presence both offensively and defensively allows the rest of the Spurs to do what they do. So, to me, Tim is still the MVP.

[DAF86]

He's actually a bad one-on-one defender, which is why Pop has to hide him on D on the worst perimeter players. He's a very good help defender and see the passing lanes very well. But he's a bad one-on-one defender - most everyone knows that.

a bad one-on-one defender can't create so many ofensive fouls. manu is great at that 'cause he's great moving laterally. that's a sign of a great one-on-one defender.
and the reason he's always on the worst perimeter player is because of a guy called bowen besides to rest him for the offense.
Jordan was a great defender but he was always covering the worst perimeter player of the oposition to get some rest for the offensive end.

[Kori Ellis]

a bad one-on-one defender can't create so many ofensive fouls. manu is great at that 'cause he's great moving laterally. that's a sign of a great one-on-one defender.
and the reason he's always on the worst perimeter is because of a guy called bowen besides to rest him for the offense.
Jordan was a great defender but he was always covering the worst perimeter player of the oposition to get some rest for the offensive end.

Don't get offended. Manu isn't perfect and no one expects him to be. He's extremely good and playing some of the best basketball of his career - which is great considering all his basketball mileage. But he isn't a good one-on-one defender and most people realize that. He is a very, very good help defender.

There's a reason why (for example) if the Spurs are playing the Pistons and Bowen is guarding Billups, then Tony guards Rip. And it's not just to save Manu's energy. Anyway, I'm not going to argue the point anymore. People can believe whatever they want.

Manu is playing HUGE right now and he's a freakin' warrior. Hopefully the Spurs can win out the season and start destroying teams in the playoffs.

[Gino]

Manu IS the Spurs' MVP in my opinion.

If I was going to take away ONE player from the Spurs, it would be Manu.

[jbspurs]

Definitely MVP of the year. MVP of the team? Duncan will always be the MVP of the team.

[DAF86]

Don't get offended. Manu isn't perfect and no one expects him to be. He's extremely good and playing some of the best basketball of his career - which is great considering all his basketball mileage. But he isn't a good one-on-one defender and most people realize that. He is a very, very good help defender.

There's a reason why (for example) if the Spurs are playing the Pistons and Bowen is guarding Billups, then Tony guards Rip. And it's not just to save Manu's energy. Anyway, I'm not going to argue the point anymore. People can believe whatever they want.

Man is playing HUGE right now and he's a freakin' warrior. Hopefully the Spurs can win out the season and start destroying teams in the playoffs.

of course there's a reason, billups can eat parker alive in the low post.
hey Kori do you have the 2005 championship DVD?
if you do please watch the 4th Qtr. against the pistons and count how many times does hubie brown say: "oh, great defense by manu ginobili"

[DarrinS]

For this season, yes.

There's no doubt that in order for the Spurs to be great, they need Tim Duncan as the foundation and backbone at both ends of the court. But, performance wise, Manu has done pretty much everything you can think of to carry the Spurs this season.

Agreed.

[DarrinS]

And as to address the thread, Manu will never be considered by many as an MVP because of the fact that it's very difficult for him to play major minutes. He's freakin' incredible right now but his style of play doesn't allow him to play major minutes over the course of a season. He plays too hard and he'll get exhausted and ineffective.

That said, I wouldn't trade Manu right now for anyone. He's in an amazing zone - particularly when the Spurs really need him.

Agree with this, too.

[Kori Ellis]

... count how many times does hubie brown say: "oh, great defense by manu ginobili"

I don't need to rely on Hubie Brown. I'm around the Spurs enough to realize that Manu's not a good one-on-one defender. Like I said, he's a great help defender. Pop and Manu realize that too.

It's okay to admit your favorite players have weaknesses.

I'm going back to work.

[/steps out of worship thread]

[WalterBenitez]

This year, yes.

[DAF86]

I don't need to rely on Hubie Brown. I'm around the Spurs enough to realize that Manu's not a good one-on-one defender. Like I said, he's a great help defender. Pop and Manu realize that too.

It's okay to admit your favorite players have weaknesses.

I'm going back to work.

[/steps out of worship thread]

i have been watching manu since he was 18 years old through all of his career and specialists all around the world've always said that manu is a great defender but i don't need nobody to tell me that either. i can realize by myself that he's a great defender.
And i'm not BS if you read all my posts in this thread you could tell (i even said that he's not the MVP). manu has shortcomings but defense is definitly not one of them.

[ducks]

i have been watching manu since he was 18 years old through all of his career and specialists all around the world've always said that manu is a great defender but i don't need nobody to tell me that either. i can realize by myself that he's a great defender.
And i'm not BS if you read all my posts in this thread you could tell (i even said that he's not the MVP). manu has shortcomings but defense is definitly not one of them.

then why does he not guard the best player on the other team

[DAF86]