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    Let's look at the facts as they have come to light.

    1. The woman was the primary cause of the accident, even though they got the company to buy into somehow their driver was the cause, since he didn't stop "quick enough".

    2. The woman was very badly hurt and the insurance provided by Wal Mart kicked in and paid every last cent of the hospital bill, no questions asked.

    3. The woman either sued or threatened to sue, but SETTLED for something between $700,000 and $1,000,000. Her decision.

    4. Wal Mart, who provided the money for her hospital bills, now demands, per her contract, to recoup the money, since it has no been recouped from the trucking company. Well, $417,000 anyway. The rest has been spent on "legal fees". In other words the lawyer took 35 or 40 percent of the total settlement as his "contingent fee".

    5. Hubby says no. Lawyer says no. And apparently the woman who has no memory says no.

    6 Hubby, Lawyer, and victim now decide they can use public pressure to get Wal Mart to back off. The is known as EXTORTION. But even in extorting money, we can't stop with the victim of an accident. We have to throw is how her son was killed in Iraq, and also how her hubby is fighting prostrate cancer. Now we really have the publics attention.

    7. But just in case it doesn't work, hubby decides to divorce her. Why? So she can receive LARGER medicaid payments. In any other welfare situation in this country, this would be known as DEFRAUDING THE GOVERNMENT.

    8. So Wal Mart does the WRONG thing, gives in to the extortion and lets her keep the windfall, paving the way for many other lawsuits to follow.

    Just keep in mind. This won't cost Wal Mart on goddamn dime. It will cost you, me, and anyone else that shops at a Wal Mart or Sams Club. Did you hurt the woman? Did I? I'm pretty sure my neighbor had nothing to do with her being in the situation she's in, but guess who is going to pay the tab in the long run?

    May I suggest all you bleeding hearts write a big check. A really big check. After all, she needs it more than you do. You can find a web site to send the money to her. And I'm sure now they can probably extort the government not to tax them on it. See, they have PUBLIC OPINION on their side.

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    It will cost you, me, and anyone else that shops at a Wal Mart or Sams Club.
    Oh my god they're gonna raise the price of my Snacky Puffs!!!!

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    Just keep in mind. This won't cost Wal Mart on goddamn dime. It will cost you, me, and anyone else that shops at a Wal Mart or Sams Club. Did you hurt the woman? Did I? I'm pretty sure my neighbor had nothing to do with her being in the situation she's in, but guess who is going to pay the tab in the long run?
    Yes, that 400K from the employee health plan will profoundly affect prices at Walmart all across America.

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    Her husband should have taken her out back and shot her to remove the non-producer from our society. He could have picked up the rifle and ammo at a local Wal-Mart. Now he'd have to pay for that, because we wouldn't want to see anyone forced to pay one hundred millionth of a cent more on the latest Brad Paisley CD.

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    Yes. That's the big area of study right now in the schoolhouse ... how can conservatives minister to people and meet their needs (feeding, clothing, etc.) without abandoning Christian convictions. Liberal churches long ago abandoned evangelism and the gospel (repentence, faith in Christ, a changed life) in favor of what one might call a "social gospel," almost exclusively geared toward ministering to the poor, going good deeds, etc. 20th century fundys, and to a certain extent, evangelicals, went the other way, emphasizing Bible teaching and preaching about Christ as to neglect social ministries.

    I would submit that evangelicals do both -- both areas would be much more powerful and effective. Christian convictions feeding social ministries, both being emphasized, neither one neglected.
    Go through your theology and scrub out every hint of dualism the way a Jew scrubs out leaven from his house the day before Passover. That is a big help in maintaing Christian convictions while ministering to physical needs. Then ministry becomes a symbol of God's coming regeneration of all creation, much as baptism symbolizes the new life in Christ.

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    8. So Wal Mart does the WRONG thing, gives in to the extortion and lets her keep the windfall, paving the way for many other lawsuits to follow.
    Oh yes, a $400K "windfall" to provide for the care of someone who could possibly live 30 more years and require ins utional care.

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    Just keep in mind. This won't cost Wal Mart on goddamn dime. It will cost you, me, and anyone else that shops at a Wal Mart or Sams Club. Did you hurt the woman? Did I? I'm pretty sure my neighbor had nothing to do with her being in the situation she's in, but guess who is going to pay the tab in the long run?

    May I suggest all you bleeding hearts write a big check. A really big check. After all, she needs it more than you do. You can find a web site to send the money to her. And I'm sure now they can probably extort the government not to tax them on it. See, they have PUBLIC OPINION on their side.
    You're onto something. Can you imagine how much more disposable income each of us could have if we simply let all disabled people who can't afford their own health care die? This is truly the Good News!

    Really, it would be even better if we could find some productive use for their corpses, since their lives are so unproductive. Could we use them as fuel? For greater love has no one than this, that he lay down his life to fill up his friend's SUV.

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    Does anybody remember SAGambler's eloquent polemic against the government's bailout of Bear Sterns, which will cost taxpayers $3.2 billion? There must be a lot of investment bankers who are disabled, needing long-term care out there.

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    Apparently being a "conservative" today consists of worshipping Wal-Mart's consolidated income statement.

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    Does anybody remember SAGambler's eloquent polemic against the government's bailout of Bear Sterns, which will cost taxpayers $3.2 billion? There must be a lot of investment bankers who are disabled, needing long-term care out there.
    Ah, you mean the Fed's gift to JPM and its shareholders?

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    Just a thought, when is Wal-Mart going to pay back the various municipal and county governments around the US who give it local sales and property tax breaks when it locates a store in their jurisdiction?

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    A 20-oz of coffee usually does it for me.
    Make mine a couple quad shot Mexican Mocha's please, unless it's from Seattle's Best. Then a single 20 ounce will have enough....

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    This is the reason that I have formed the opinion that the "conservative" movement in the US has become morallly bankrupt somewhere along the way.

    My take on what "conservatives" tend to say and do, is that they seem to be more concerned with money than human beings. They also take rather short-sighted policies that seem to invariably miss the wider picture.

    To be fair, there is no shortage of people on the left that do this as well, but they seem to be far outweighed/outnumbered on the left/center-left by people with a bit more common sense.
    Well, remember that a corporate structure has a mix of people. Being a corporation doesn't make them conservative. I think the Walton's are more liberal than conservative, but I may be wrong. There are times when you have to separate emotions from decisions. That's why we have the so-called "separation of church and state" too. Some thing's just don't mix. Conservatives as a whole understand that more than liberals. It doesn't make us morally bankrupt.

    That is probably fairly close to the truth, but I would be willing to bet that senior management probably didn't know about this until the publicity, and are decent enough people to have realized that not only was this bad for the bottom line, it was simply wrong.
    Now you say something very reasonable. I agree this is likely the truth. Those who hold the purse strings of Wal-Mart are good caring people. Management however is paid to look at the bottom line.

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    Yes, that 400K from the employee health plan will profoundly affect prices at Walmart all across America.
    Go back to my posting about setting a precedent, and consider this again. If it wasn't Wal-Marts decision, then this could happen frequently to them for big figure losses. Large corporations become magnets for fraud and theft. This now makes it their decision, as a charity, rather than an obligation.

    Do some research on insurance fraud and tell me this doesn't avoid potential scams.

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    Go back to my posting about setting a precedent, and consider this again. If it wasn't Wal-Marts decision, then this could happen frequently to them for big figure losses. Large corporations become magnets for fraud and theft. This now makes it their decision, as a charity, rather than an obligation.

    Do some research on insurance fraud and tell me this doesn't avoid potential scams.
    Ah, the old "Get your brains bashed at work so you can live the rest of your days as a nursing home vegetable" scam.

    I'm sure thousands of scam artists are rushing to apply for a job at Wal-Mart after reading about this one.

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    Ah, the old "Get your brains bashed at work so you can live the rest of your days as a nursing home vegetable" scam.

    I'm sure thousands of scam artists are rushing to apply for a job at Wal-Mart after reading about this one.

    Right. He's at least the 3rd poster in this thread who has referred to getting $400K to cover full-time care for a 52 year old for the rest of her life as a "windfall" or the fruits of a "scam."

    Man, we need some posters to change their handles up in here. Here's a couple off the top of my head:

    Inspector Javert
    Ebeneezer

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    Fine. Conservatives are morally bankrupt. Fair enough.

    And is the solution liberalism?

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    Extra Stout in this thread =

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    no doubt, ES is on fire in this thread.

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    Ah, the old "Get your brains bashed at work so you can live the rest of your days as a nursing home vegetable" scam.

    I'm sure thousands of scam artists are rushing to apply for a job at Wal-Mart after reading about this one.
    My God... Are you really that daft?

    No. I'm talking about the process of insurance payout. The scam can be anything insurance related. Some people submit claims that have no merit and get paid. If a company doesn't have the right to collect a payment back when paid by someone else, it makes for even more scam possibilites. Double dippers!

    Stop being so narrow minded please.

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    You stay classy, WalMart.

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    Ah, the old "Get your brains bashed at work so you can live the rest of your days as a nursing home vegetable" scam.

    I'm sure thousands of scam artists are rushing to apply for a job at Wal-Mart after reading about this one.
    Do you think Wal Mart is the ONLY corporation in the world? How many can you name off the top of your head. 500? 1000? 5000? And if this happens to every one of them?

    Sure, Wal Mart is large enough to withstand a half million bucks. Others aren't.

    See the problem is, you want to look at this as a single one time scenario. It isn't.

    No one has to rush to apply for a job at Wal Mart.

    Would you think it fair to say that with the current employees that Wal Mart has, it is feasible to say that in the next 12 months, this same scenario of one of them being involved in a disabling automobile accident could happen 12 times? So now we are talking 6 million or thereabouts. At what point is enough, enough? The problem is, you don't look at things in the big picture. Only on a case by case basis.

    And to the poster who made reference to my "rant" or rather non-rant about the government bailing out some corporation, let me make it clear. I hated it when it began with them bailing out Chrysler and I hate it when they do it now for other corporations. They are there to make money. Period. If they can't accomplish that on their own, then they need to fold. Not be bailed out by the government. But they started by bailing out one, so now they find them in a position to having to do the same for others. Kind of like this Wal Mart thingy.

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    Then we can expect Wal-Mart to cease demanding local tax breaks for new stores?

    Funny how cutting a working class family with a series of misfortune some slack is the same as the Fed providing a multi-billion dollar gift to JPMorgan Chase.

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    Clearly Wal-Mart is at risk of being pursued for "windfalls" from others who are brain damaged and lost a son in Iraq.

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