Mavs @ Blazers Game Thread

[Findog]

No, the Mavs allowed the Spurs to score 88, not 87. So they aren't that great defensively.

You're right.

[Findog]

This team is worse defensively. I don't care about the scrubs we blew on that meaningless 5 game win streak. Without that streak, it gets pretty embarrassing. 108 points it was btw. It's having Bass at center that hurt us the most. Kidd is about equal to Harris on defense and both have their matchup problems occassionally.

God you are hopeless. So holding good teams to poor offensive performances mean nothing? Kidd is better than Devin on defense, Devin can't guard CP3 or Deron any better than Kidd can, and Kidd can actually do a decent job on the bigger guards.

[Shank]

No, the Mavs allowed the Spurs to score 88, not 87. So they aren't that great defensively.

Dammit. We were going somewhere with that point, but you had to ruin it.

And it's good to see Mavsfan1000 post as mavsfan100041 over on DB.com and getting her ass owned up and down on this same topic by a board full of Mavs diehards.

[mavsfan1000]

Which is why you throw Kidd under the bus for the entire team's problems. This team wasn't going anywhere with Devin, the offense bogged down into iso crap late in games. Kidd is better than Harris. It doesn't guarantee anything other than we are a better team after the trade.

I throw the trade under the bus. We traded away our only consistent slasher. How stupid is stat? It's not Kidd's fault the Front Office are idiots.

[mavsfan1000]

Dammit. We were going somewhere with that point, but you had to ruin it.

And it's good to see Mavsfan1000 post as mavsfan100041 over on DB.com and getting her ass owned up and down on this same topic by a board full of Mavs diehards.

Link to topic? Stop stalking me you psycho.

[Shank]

Harris had a plus 2 higher ratio than what Kidd has now in plus/minus statistically. That is just one reason but as I pointed before, there is a big difference between having Diop as the backup center and having Bass/Allen/Juwan Howard as the backup center. So we got hurt in 2 positions is why we aren't as good now.

Wow. +/- really telling the whole story here. John Hollinger thinks you're awesome.

You keep bringing up Bass/Allen/Ju-Ho as the backup center. Question: Who is the backup center for the Mavericks? I'll give you hint - it's not an individual player. If you've watched any games at all, you'll be able to answer this one pretty easily.

Mavs are better now than they were with Harris here. Period. But what do you care? You're a Bulls fan anyway. Or was it the Nets? I forget. I know it's not the Mavericks because you don't know about your own team.

[Findog]

I throw the trade under the bus. We traded away our only consistent slasher. How stupid is stat? It's not Kidd's fault the Front Office are idiots.

And if Harris is so great, why can't he stay healthy, knock down open jumpers or do anything on defense besides draw a charge? He was a nice young player, but there is a reason he's not put in the same class as CP3, Williams, Parker. He's about as good as Raymond Felton.

[mavsfan1000]

God you are hopeless. So holding good teams to poor offensive performances mean nothing? Kidd is better than Devin on defense, Devin can't guard CP3 or Deron any better than Kidd can, and Kidd can actually do a decent job on the bigger guards.

This was a better defensive team before the trade. 91.8>93.2 on defense last I've heard. I'm not saying we are a poor defensive team either way but have gotten slightly worse. Mainly because of small ball.

[Shank]

This team is worse defensively.

No, it's not.

[mavsfan1000]

And if Harris is so great, why can't he stay healthy, knock down open jumpers or do anything on defense besides draw a charge? He was a nice young player, but there is a reason he's not put in the same class as CP3, Williams, Parker. He's about as good as Raymond Felton.

Harris was a great fit for our team. We rely too much on the jumper now. Harris had good spacing on this team to do his thing. Kidd is not a slasher and that is the main problem with chemistry.

[Shank]

This was a better defensive team before the trade. 91.8>93.2 on defense last I've heard. I'm not saying we are a poor defensive team either way but have gotten slightly worse. Mainly because of small ball.

Holy . This thinks 1.4 points is a discernible difference.

Do this, instead. Find all the high-powered offenses in the NBA and tell us how well the Mavs fared against them.

You're not a Mavs fan.

[Shank]

Harris was a great fit for our team. We rely too much on the jumper now. Harris had good spacing on this team to do his thing. Kidd is not a slasher and that is the main problem with chemistry.

There's a chemistry problem with the team? I've seen them improve together almost every game since Kidd came along. It's something that only gets better with time. But a chemistry problem? Dirk is playing better. Howard is playing better. Damp is playing better. Terry knows his role. Bass has his moments. But I haven't seen anything that would lead anyone to believe there's a "chemistry" problem.

Well, maybe someone that's not really a fan of the team, that is. Someone like you.

[mavsfan1000]

Holy . This thinks 1.4 points is a discernible difference.

Do this, instead. Find all the high-powered offenses in the NBA and tell us how well the Mavs fared against them.

You're not a Mavs fan.

Yeah I got all this free time to post at all mavs boards and not being a mavs fan. I'm not in the mood in looking up more stats but this team is obviously not as good now. I could care less about what the scoreboard says. The mavs of 2002-03 had good defensive stats but in the playoffs, they got exposed for not having enough interior defense. I feel this year is similar with the loss of Diop. Btw we were 2 games from a championship with Harris as the point guard. We've done nothing with Kidd and I doubt we will.

[mavs>spurs2]

Yeah I got all this free time to post at all mavs boards and not being a mavs fan. I'm not in the mood in looking up more stats but this team is obviously not as good now. I could care less about what the scoreboard says. The mavs of 2002-03 had good defensive stats but in the playoffs, they got exposed for not having enough interior defense. I feel this year is similar with the loss of Diop. Btw we were 2 games from a championship with Harris as the point guard. We've done nothing with Kidd and I doubt we will.

No one was saying we were a good defensive team in 02-03. If you seriously think our defense is that bad then have your eyes checked.

[mavsfan1000]

There's a chemistry problem with the team? I've seen them improve together almost every game since Kidd came along. It's something that only gets better with time. But a chemistry problem? Dirk is playing better. Howard is playing better. Damp is playing better. Terry knows his role. Bass has his moments. But I haven't seen anything that would lead anyone to believe there's a "chemistry" problem.

Well, maybe someone that's not really a fan of the team, that is. Someone like you.

This team has one less scoring threat. I don't see how Terry or Howard are playing better. Against teams that actually care about transition defense, we struggle. We didn't used to have this problem. We were able to score like crazy against the Spurs with Harris starting.

[GuerillaBlack]

This is great filler before the Spurs at Lakers game. Love it.



Mav1K, you lost.

[mavsfan1000]

This is great filler before the Spurs at Lakers game. Love it.



Mav1K, you lost.

Shank is just an asshole. I don't know why he is stalking me but I think it's pretty creepy. He should be banned but I guess there are a few others that deserve to be banned as well on here.

[Findog]

Btw we were 2 games from a championship with Harris as the point guard

We were 2 games from a championship with Dirk as our best player.

[mavs>spurs2]

This team has one less scoring threat. I don't see how Terry or Howard are playing better. Against teams that actually care about transition defense, we struggle. We didn't used to have this problem. We were able to score like crazy against the Spurs with Harris starting.

Yes, and the Spurs are about the only team we played better against with Harris. Every other team in the league we play better against with Kidd. I'll take the guy that can make the game easier on everyone rather than the one guy that can penetrate and get to the rim for 12-14 ppg.

[mavsfan1000]

We were 2 games from a championship with Dirk as our best player.

I agree and role players don't matter huh?

[Findog]

Trading away Harris even though he gives the Spurs fits is a risk we had to take in order to make us better and a more well-rounded team. The two biggest matchup problems for them are Dirk and Josh, we still have them. I've seen nothing in the two games against San Antonio post-trade that says we crippled our chances at beating them in a seven-game series. The game in San Antonio could've gone either way and I think we would've won the game in Dallas had Dirk not gotten hurt.

[mavsfan1000]

Yes, and the Spurs are about the only team we played better against with Harris. Every other team in the league we play better against with Kidd. I'll take the guy that can make the game easier on everyone rather than the one guy that can penetrate and get to the rim for 12-14 ppg.

We also play better against the Lakers and Hornets which happen to be the 3 teams we will likely play in the first round. Trade is a failure.

[Findog]

I agree and role players don't matter huh?

Harris was our fourth or fifth-best player during the Finals run. He was probably our third-best player by the time of the trade and we got somebody better than him at his position.

Tell me something, how did "best defensive point guard in the NBA" Devin Harris do against Dwyane Wade in that series?

[Findog]

Trade is a failure.

Summer 2010 forum.

[Shank]

Shank is just an asshole. I don't know why he is stalking me but I think it's pretty creepy. He should be banned but I guess there are a few others that deserve to be banned as well on here.

Funny that you think I'm stalking you. You're just barely a tick above SpursDynasty when it comes to intelligent posts.

I'm trying to get you to run off in shame because you know nothing about your supposed favorite team.