To ducks and Manyu bashers...why no one of these guys who diminish manu answer this when stating that Parker is 'better' or more 'efficient'? BTW, Basketball IQ (where Manu is faaar better than Tony, wasn't considered in the original answer).... current Efficiency stats? 17.17 for Manu, 15.7 for Tony...
Care to explain how TP has proven it? Manu stats are better (check at NBA.com, Manu now has better even stats in PPG (15.7 for Manu and 15.5 for Tony), the Tony's major strenght), Manu this season and the past season, had better Efficiency ranking stats (more complete stats than just scoring), had better "+/- stats" (the stats counting the point Spurs scored and the received during the minutes the player is in action).
FYI, Manu has had the second best stats in Efficiency Ranking and '+/- points' in these 2 latest seasons, behind Duncan and AHEAD Parker, for instance, in the last season , Shaq and Kobe leade those stats for the Lakers, does this mean something to you?
I would also ask you...scoring option implies always beeing a better player or a more important one? would you consider Dennis Rodman in the jordan's Bulls beeing less important to other Bulls' role players just because he was scoring less than those role players?
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U couldn't express my thoughts better than u already did.
Do I think TP is waaay better than last season?? YES
Do I think he should improve in the clutch department (and I mean crunch time + big games)? Yes
Is TP a better all-around player than last season? U bet!
PS: So TP playing awfully w/the flu is heroic????? What about Manu w/both injured thighs and a sprained ankle??? Worth Man of the Year award??
Thanks for the Welcome, and EXACTLY WHAT I'M SAYING! LOLMANUMANIA: WELCOME TO THE FORUM
U couldn't express my thoughts better than u already did.
Do I think TP is waaay better than last season?? YES
Do I think he should improve in the clutch department (and I mean crunch time + big games)? Yes
Is TP a better all-around player than last season? U bet!
PS: So TP playing awfully w/the flu is heroic????? What about Manu w/both injured thighs and a sprained ankle??? Worth Man of the Year award??
Just to stir the pot a little more...
Player Pairs
You people still think Parker brings it every night?
I must be watching the worng games or looking at incorrect box scores.
Well Ghost, next time you have the flu go to work and be just as effective, ok?
Look up the new corporate term: presenteeism.
It's when people show up sick and actually drain the workplace of more productivity than if they just stayed the at home.
Does Tony have the flu everytime he has a sub-par game?
Maybe, but considering there isn't a player anywhere that doesn't suffer those, certainly not PGs or 22 year old PG's at that, I am not concerned over his every sub-par game.
Hey Ghost, are you aware that earlier in the season, Bruce Bowen outscored Kobe Bryant? Does that qualify as a sub-par game to you? Then would it make sense to expect perfection from Tony? While you're at it, think about the month Tim was having before the Pheonix game.
Tony Parker
Has scored in double figures 37 times.
Has had 15 games of 5 rebounds or more.
Has had 31 games of 5 assists or more.
Has shot 50% on FG's in 25 games.
Has scored 20 points or more in 14 games.
Has scored in single digits 9 times.
Manu Ginobili
Has scored in double figures 33 times.
Has had 18 games of 5 rebounds or more.
Has had 13 games of 5 assists or more.
Has shot 50% or better in 20 games.
Has scored 20 points or more in 10 games.
Has scored in single digits 7 times.
Parker wins.
Considering Manu is way more efficient at scoring, that statement is false. Manu makes more FTs at a better %, and hits more 3pters, and takes less shots in general.
Im not arguing who the better player is cause I think they have the same value, but to say Parker has been scoring more efficiently and even way more consistently, is flat out false.
Logic does not work with Mr. Sequ
no but does tim duncan
stephen jackson?
Segu plaigerized MI21's post...
Sequ has hit rock bottom... he cannot even come up with his own sheyittt and he has to plagiarize material from some other poster without acknowledgment
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I want people to realize that Tony is one of the reasons Manu is so efficent, does Kobe play with a PG as good as Tony?
You can want all you want, but that don't mean its going to happen! Manu is quite effective on his own. Not to say that he isn't better with Tony.
WTF? Who is that?Segu plaigerized MI21's post...
I don't think Tony is the primary reason for Manu being efficient. Duncan makes both of them a little more efficient in their roles. Actually Tim is the presense that makes everyone able to play their roles AND win games.
Who knows what Parker and Manu would do alone, maybe on other teams their GLORY STATS would be better AKA Pts + Reb +Ast +Steals. But I wouldn't say either player is more or less efficient because of each other. Its the team system, and that starts with Duncan.
Sequ and the others, wich is more objective, your post or the efficiency ranking? what about '+/- stats'
do you know that 2 season in a row Manu is AHEAD Parker and Behind Duncan in those stats
Again, why no one of the guys who claim that Tony is better than Manu answer this following post in a RATIONAL WAY? care to use arguments and baksetball knowledge instead of just looking the scoring?
CHALLENGE: ANSWER THIS WITH ARGUMENTS
To ducks and Manyu bashers...why no one of these guys who diminish manu answer this when stating that Parker is 'better' or more 'efficient'? BTW, Basketball IQ (where Manu is faaar better than Tony, wasn't considered in the original answer).... current Efficiency stats? 17.17 for Manu, 15.7 for Tony...
Care to explain how TP has proven to be better than manu? Manu stats are better (check at NBA.com, Manu this season and the past season, had better Efficiency ranking stats (more complete stats than just scoring), had better "+/- stats" (the stats counting the point Spurs scored and the received during the minutes the player is in action).
FYI, Manu has had the second best stats in Efficiency Ranking and '+/- points' in these 2 latest seasons, behind Duncan and AHEAD Parker, for instance, in the last season , Shaq and Kobe leade those stats for the Lakers, does this mean something to you?
I would also ask you...scoring option implies always beeing a better player or a more important one? would you consider Dennis Rodman in the jordan's Bulls beeing less important to other Bulls' role players just because he was scoring less than those role players?
Are you kidding? Manu probably is the fourth option for TP (first himself, second TD, third anybody free and fourth Manu if it is totally necessary). Efficiency depend many times how many easy balls you receive. That’s why Manu made highest score with Beno by far.
Yeah
In the Suns games Manu played so well because Tony run the Ofense.
Good Joke
Are you drunk?^^^^
Slo, I think Waly was being sarcastic.
I think you have to look at how Pop manage his roster during a game.
You will see that Manu is playing almost all of his time with Duncan.
TP doesn't play with Duncan in the end of first and third quarter, in that time he has to find a way to run the offense without Duncan, that's why also he has better stats than Manu.
I think that it's hard to say that any of the two is better for the Spurs, they are both great players who will be I am sure the best backourt in the League for the next seasons.
To all the people that thinks Tp don't want to pass to Manu: you have to consider that Tp plays most of his game obeing the orders of coach pop, he used for two seasons to give the ball to Duncan in every play, I am sure that within few months, they will learn to play better together because the good players understand each other very well.
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