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what Bible stories are literal to you? Any of them?
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What makes this extra funny is that the guy posting it has 500 posts in this thread alone.
Lololol more than double than the person with the second most posts
what Bible stories are literal to you? Any of them?
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I normally avoid laying out my personal stuff on the internets, but , I'm reeling so much right now, I'm asking everyone/anyone in sight what to do.
I had some nukes dropped on me this past week regarding the wife, which after looking back the past 1-2 years I should have seen it and I realize I am a ing idiot. I've mulled over everything a billion times and there's no where to go but to get a divorce.
I have a 7 year old and some have already told me I need to go all out to get full custody. Any other practical advice? Step 1? Step 2?
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another 50 pages useless thread I suppose...
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IMHO, none of them.
You have to put it in proper perspective though from my particular point of view.
I was raised Catholic all my life not baptized Catholic, always attended private Catholic schools from second grade on, thoroughly absorbed endless amount of catechism classes and later, bible study classes to go along with it.
I didn't actually get baptized Catholic until the eighth grade, and then sometime shortly after high school I embraced atheism and agnosticism in no particular order, so my perspective is somewhat skewed.
Later I delved into various religious researching their deeper myths and mysticisms including Wiccan, Druidic, Judaism, Islamism, and the Eastern faiths like Brahmanism, Buddhism, Taoism, and lastly native American spiritualism, which finally led me to occultism and esotericism. Lots of "isms".
Last edited by xmas1997; 08-04-2014 at 10:25 AM.
So to be clear, you're saying nothing in the Bible happened, including Jesus death resurrection story?
You enjoy straw men too apparently?
I already made it perfectly clear.
I have repeatedly said that IMHO the bible, and similar profound religious books, were never meant to be interpreted literally which is what most of you who are arguing about and seem dead set on doing because you do not understand what an allegorical style of writing is, and that that type of writing style which predominately is done in books of that nature is different than saying they never happened.
"Literal translating" is "to the letter", undeviating, or verbatim, which is different that being factual, concise, and actual.
So those events/stories may well could have happened, and they may well might not have happened, but to focus purely on that aspect of them diminishes their truer significance.
I wasn't there at the time.
Were you?
Last edited by xmas1997; 08-04-2014 at 10:57 AM.
I understand that for many of you here it is easier to wrap your mind around things by thinking that everything in life is either black or white, and contains no gray areas.
But IMHO, most of life is made up of the gray areas, and there is no true black or white areas, there are no "absolutes", and everything "changes".
You want t close off everything in the world and pin it down to "definites", so that you do not have to work at having an "open" mind.
Having an "open" mind means suspending your learned notions of things as they seem to appear on the surface in order to attempt to understand what is really going on under the surface, and it isn't to do, and that is why scientists, researchers, philosophers, theologians, and doctors etc. get paid the big money for.
Once you learn this about life, you will be able to cope a of a lot better, be able to see different points of views from all sorts of perspectives, put yourself in other people's shoes, and definitely shed being so anal about everything.
Last edited by xmas1997; 08-04-2014 at 11:05 AM.
You don't understand what a straw man is. You're just throwing it out there because rubber/glue is how you operate.
I'm asking you a question about your stance for clarification.
Do you believe the literal story of the resurrection or not?
Something can be symbolic and factual. The fall of the Berlin was was symbolic for the end of the Cold War. But it was also an actual event that we know happened. It's both possible that God literally spoke to Abraham and told him to kill his son and that such an account is remembered because it symbolizes the tough choices people have to make to keep ther faith (or whatever).
So pretty much the last couple of days of conversation was wasted. Xmas believing the story was symbolic does not mean he believes it to be false, but it also doesn't allow him to get out of answering the question.
On other words, just say yes or no, Xmas. And to everyone else, stop going down the allegorical road. It's not productive.
but the berlin wall isn't allegorical. and as i pointed out several times, my question to him as symbolism/allegory aside, i was asking if he believed the events factually occured
It was not allegorical. Allegory is a quality of fiction. Symbolism isn't, however. Seeing as most people used the terms interchangeably, I don't think it's fair to hold Xmas to his diction.
I agree he needs to answer the damned question. It's not hard, and it wouldn't really change the way he's viewed here. Even as a theist, I find these types of religious arguments to be in horrible form.
You missed the "owning other human beings" part.
I pretty much ageee, I think. I would note though it isn't a matter of "feel" a certain way, as being able to reason that killing or injuring people is generally harmful. We can feel that harming others is bad, but the harm itself is something notable outside any particular feeling.
In this way, one doesn't really need an invisible magic man to tell us the obvious.
xmas claims to have graduated magna laude from Dartmouth.
I think it's completely fair to hold him on his diction.
They're in horrid form because these idiots don't know the rules of proper debate and what logical fallacies are.I agree he needs to answer the damned question. It's not hard, and it wouldn't really change the way he's viewed here. Even as a theist, I find these types of religious arguments to be in horrible form.
It's like playing chess with someone that double jumps your pawns with his pawn and yells "crown me".
I lol but I also try to explain the rules to see if it finally clicks that they are aware of how badly they've been losing.
I didn't say killing animals was.
Our current method of producing food requires us at the very least to ingest plant matter, and that involves eating and killing living cells at some point.
That subtlety was probably lost on you, but just wanted to be clear.
Doubling and tripling down on the bullsit rationalization.
There are some stupid Ivy Leaguers. I met quite a few in school. Xmas is being obstinate in this thread, though, not ignorant. He knows what he's doing.
But anyways, I meant diction, because he obviously means symbolic and not allegorical, and everyone else seems to understand that, because they keep using both terms. I don't think you need help from a technicality to win this debate.
Pretty much agree with the rest. Can't even have a productive conversation with the way things are.
No. RG does not believe God exists.
Do you get anything right?
It this point, it would not surprise me to find out that your velcro strap shoes have little "L" and "R" printed on them.
Yes, it is more than a little hard here.
Rob tried until he got painted into a corner, then gave up, and now can't be man enough to admit he is wrong.
Personally, I have a friend who makes the same claim "well that stuff isn't meant to be literal", but that falls into the same "it was just rules for the Jews" camp.
Either way of putting it simply points out the glaring problem of interpretation. The bible didn't come with a cliff notes version.
Answered many many times on here already and just recently in post #1484.
Reread that and the other posts and you will have your answers and even using different words each time so you and others are not confused.
'nuff said.
Chinook this is where it all started. he used the term allegory before symbol, or before anybody else brought those words up. i know ur probably tired of the subject and the pointless argument, but this is where the confusion is coming from
I couldn't sleep this morning, so I read through the whole thread. I know what you're saying and agree. I know he's misusing the term allegory. I just don't see that misuse to be that big of a deal. It is neither a glaring weakness nor a get-out-of-jail-free card. He's not answering a simple question, that he understands fully. No way to dig him out of that hole.
post 1484:
do you believe it happened, though? i'm inquiring about you own beliefs
well by this logic you shouldn't believe in any historical events that happened outside of what you personally experienced, such as the revolutionary war or the invention of the fluorescent light bulbI wasn't there at the time.
Were you?
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