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FWIW, reports have that the jazz have turned down two first founders for Kessler. So getting LM for three picks + salary is not likely going to happen.
Could be. Personally, I don't think the Spurs actually made a formal offer. Tony Jones (Utah reporter that works for the Athletic and IMO works as Ainge's mouth piece) said that they had concrete, significant offers from Sacramento and GSW, but when referring to the Spurs was very careful to say that they had "significant interest". I interpret this as meaning Spurs inquired but Ainge came up with a ridiculous asking price (say, Vassel, all of the Atlanta picks including '26 swap, plus Spurs '30 and Minnesota '31) to the point Spurs didn't actually get to make a counter-offer. But this is just pure speculation on my part, based on the wording used and how Ainge operates.First off... don't shoot the messenger
Second, I agree. Tynan then went on some rant about how Utah and San Antonio have no incentive to help each other to which someone else responded no teams have incentives to help each other... they're all looking out for themselves.
At the end of the day, Ainge is going to take the trade that is best for him. I don't buy that he's worried about making the Spurs some juggernaut he can't compete with, that's putting the cart before the horse. At the same time, the Spurs don't need to worrya about how they're going to line up against Boston in a finals series... you gotta compete on that level before you worry about competing on that level (sounds funny, but I'm sure everyone knows what I mean).
But... this is what Tynan is saying and he claims he's "talked to people" who back this up. This, of course could just be what some Jazz person is telling him to drive up the price or what some Spurs person is telling him to get people to STFU about a deal they're trying to work.
FWIW, reports have that the jazz have turned down two first founders for Kessler. So getting LM for three picks + salary is not likely going to happen.
Pick quality comes into play. NYK has a couple of unlikely to convey FRPs that were likely what they offered. So it’s “Two FRPs” for Kessler as the headline when it reality it’s 4 seconds.
This is also one of the factors in the Bridges deal. It’s 5 FRPs, but the majority, if not all of them, are projected low-value FRPs. Not all FRPs are created equal.
You don't know what picks those were, NYK have a couple really bad, fake firsts, that are perfect for Ainge to claim this. Don't be so gullible to eat up their BS.
At this point it’s fine if the Spurs don’t get him but I would love to see Markannen walk out on Utah for absolutely no return.
They’re not terrible like the CHA pick we hold. The Washington pick is 1-10 and 1-8 in the next two drafts. The Detroit pick is 1-13,1-11,1-9 over the next 3 drafts.
At this time, No news is good news.
It means Warrior's aggressive offer didn't work. I believe Warrior is desperate enough to offer Kuminga and picks. Jazz is likely happy to accept. This didn't go thru. The only reason is that Lauri don't want to extend with Warriors.
This also explains why Spurs only offer 3 picks. Because Lauri told Spurs that he would extend with Spurs only.
So, he is coming, my friend! Cheers!
I don’t know about all that. If GS wouldn’t put Kuminga in the PG13 deal, I don’t think they’ll put him in this one.At this time, No news is good news.
It means Warrior's aggressive offer didn't work. I believe Warrior is desperate enough to offer Kuminga and picks. Jazz is likely happy to accept. This didn't go thru. The only reason is that Lauri don't want to extend with Warriors.
This also explains why Spurs only offer 3 picks. Because Lauri told Spurs that he would extend with Spurs only.
So, he is coming, my friend! Cheers!
We’ll know more after August 6th. That’s the first day he’s eligible to sign an extension, and the last day he can, and still be traded at the deadline.
Ewww none of those picks will ever convey, those are two of the worst teams in league history.
The washington pick is unlikely, but with 3 shots, and a great draft followed by a really good one, there’s a chance that the Detroit one does. They’ll probably pull a good player this draft, and if they get lucky in 2026 and pull a top 3, there’s almost no way they don’t finish 10 or worse in 2027, with no reason to tank, and having been in the desert so long. They also got rid of that idiot Troy Weaver.
The y Barony of Lauri Markkanen
At around the 46 min mark of the latest Lowe Post podcast they discuss Lauri and the Spurs. The Spurs are Lowe’s favorite Lauri landing spot, but he feels the deal is make or break around Devin Vassell (meaning, the Jazz probably are asking for him and the Spurs probably don’t do that).
As much as I want Lauri, I agree that Vassell + draft capital is a no-go. If it were Lauri for Devin straight up, it would be a close call that I’d probably say yes to (Lauri being a better player with a harder to replicate archetype, but older and will be more expensive)… but giving up draft capital in addition is an absolutely non-starter.
This deal ain’t happening.
Sad but at least they tried
Ain't happening until Lauri refuses to extend and Ainge has to lower his demand to a realistic value.
Why not give up Vassell, dudes a chucker? People are acting like he's our future, he's not
I'm not giving up Devin + multiple FRP's for Lauri. As much as I want him, Lauri's on the last year of his deal and is set to be overpaid next Summer + he's been injury prone thus far throughout his career. Be patient. Re-signing Markkanen to a long-term deal makes no sense for Utah. They desperately need to tank for the 2025 Draft and they cant do that with Lauri on the roster. Wait it out. Ainge will either come to his senses and eventually lower his asking price, or he'll hold onto Lauri too long and he'll lose trade value, especially if Lauri doesn't re-sign with them, which he shouldn't given the cir stances.
Because his contract will be one of the best in the entire league.
Less than 15% of the cap in final few years for a 20ppg scorer who's not a negative on defense.
Devin isn't without his flaws, but he's 23 and a 20 ppg scorer on 48% shooting. His best basketball is still ahead of him and he's on a team-friendly deal. He's also Wemby's best friend on the team. I'm not trading him + multiple FRP's for a guy who's set to be overpaid next Summer and has only played 60+ games in season 3 times in his career.
Ainge doesn't have the leverage he thinks he does here. Jazz want to tank for this upcoming stacked draft class. They need to trade him. Re-signing him to a long term deal makes no sense. Play the long game and wait for the asking price to come down, which it inevitably should as we inch closer to the season. Even wait til the trade deadline if you have to, if the Jazz are dumb enough to hold onto him that long. Spurs can still offer the best package of any team in the league or match any other team's offer. Just wait it out. We'll be fine.
It's a tricky situation with Markkanen because of his possible extension on Aug 6th and Jazz are clearly preserving cap space for a renegotiation. Such a deal should be struck exactly on that date in order for him to be trade eligible on the deadline. Otherwise they wouldn't be able to trade him until next summer.
If the Spurs trade for him they won't be able to renegotiate for 6 months. They'd also need to create cap space again and presumably enter the season at the salary floor of 126.5 mil. Additionally, renegotiations cannot be done after March 1st, so the deal would need to happen in a specific time period as well - no later than end of August. Basically it's very complicated for the Spurs, or any other team, to get him and then renegotiate and extend. Jazz, on the other hand, can do that easily and it's in his best interest, financially, to do so. The problem the Jazz would face, should they extend him, would be how to preserve his trade value on a max or near max extension with the team not being very good by design next season.
Spurs would be smart to make an offer they think is fair and if it's turned down to sit and wait until Aug. 6th, as it's the most important date for Markkanen. Either he'll be extended and thus be trade ineligible or his price might fall. If he doesn't renegotiate on Aug 6th or if the Jazz spend their cap space $ before that, making it impossible, we can safely assume he's getting traded somewhere sooner rather than later.
Vasell is absolutely a deal breaker for a guy like Markkanen tbh.
its not even that vassell is better than markkanen (though we'll see what he's like in 4 years. markkanen was a disappointment until his first season with the jazz)... but it defeats the purpose of the move altogether to make him part of the deal. the point of trading for lauri is cashing in on picks to take a big step forwrad. moving vassell negates quite a bit of that
If Ainge was demanding Vassell, then he was never really serious about trading Markkanen. Maybe promised to 'try' or something.
yeah, you could argue insisting on Kuminga makes some sense because the warriors timeline is "now" and not even 3 years from now, and they have less picks to give. but vassell defeats the purpose of this kind of deal unless the trade target is an actual superstar level player
Devin has his flaws, and I don't expect him to become an All-Star, but he's perfectly suited for a #3 role next to Wemby and whomever eventually becomes his sidekick. Honestly, Lauri and Devin are a complementary pair straight out of central casting for Wemby - it is difficult for me to imagine two outlines of a pair that are a better match. Yes, there are better players, but these two just fit so nicely.
I agree with others, swapping out Lauri for Devin is taking 2 steps forward but 1.95 steps back, and to give up incremental capital and eat up a significantly larger portion of your cap to make such a marginal gain makes no sense.
Yes part of what makes Devin valuable is his team friendly deal.
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