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Naz would be a great target in the summer and very gettable too due to Minnesota’s cap issues. Might take 4/120 or even more but he’s an immaculate fit.
More than a center, a PF who can put pressure on the rim down low. Sochan was showing great signs early this season, so that might solve itself.
Otherwise if I’d focus on shooting in a trade, to the extent the spurs are in play-in contention around that time.
Naz would be a great target in the summer and very gettable too due to Minnesota’s cap issues. Might take 4/120 or even more but he’s an immaculate fit.
Naz Reid was one of the best FA target for next summer. I'm using the past tense because Spurs have decided to pick Branham and Wesley options.
Spurs are projected to have about $20M in cap space which likely isn't enough for Naz Reid.
You don’t have to sign him as a FA. If he interested, a few non offensive contracts plus the CHI FRP should get the job done. They stand a decent chance of losing him for nothing.
can still move Keldon or Collins to create that space
Unless he rejects their offer, Timberwolves are keeping Naz.
They'll get rid of Randle and McDaniels if needed.
NAW could also be a free agency target, they won't be able to keep him.
Great defender and his shot is improving every year. Would be a great upgrade over Branham/Wesley. Their best traits in one player.
They can only keep him if he wants to stay there. Right now they got locker room issues, he might just want to join another team.
Another way to fill the backup C spot is by using a draft pick on that position every 4-5 years and just letting them roll off rather than extending them for big money.
They could do that but I don't see it happening.
Last July, Spurs were on pace to have $45M in cap space for the 2025 summer. They took away most of it with the Barnes trade and by picking Branham/Wesley options. It's sure Spurs FO has evaluated the 2025 free agent class before doing these moves and has decided that losing this space wasn't a big issue. Once they removed future free agents Spurs aren't interested in and free agents who will re-sign with their team, there was not enough left to justify keeping that space.
It seems unlikely that Spurs suddenly do a 180° turn and change their team building plan.
I don't see it as a 180 turn, they still have a lot of flexibility for next summer should they decide to go after free agents. They can always trade the first round picks, or use them as part of a bigger trade, they can also use the huge number of second round picks to dump contracts. There have been a million trades where teams trade small contracts like Branham's or Wesley's into cap space to create more room.
So I believe that in the case they have a good free agent willing to sign, say a Naz Reid, they'd have more than enough flexibility to create the required room. It's not like they'd need to open $20 or $30 million, it'd be closer to 10, depending on draft picks and whether they take on additional salary until then.
Two SRPs???
Make the call, Brian.
I'd offer Collins+scrubs as salary match+4 SRPs, tbh.
Totally, but only if by February the Spurs are seriously trying to push for the play-in/offs. It would bring much needed balance to the bench.
Doesnt help CHI clear the books, as the contracts run the same length.
That's why I wrote 4 SRPs.
Two would be enough to move Collins.
Or we exchange Collins+2 SRPs for expiring contract and move those+2 SRPs for Vucevic.
You get the point.
If the asking price is that cheap and Spurs actually want to compete, upgrading Collins to Vucevic is a no brainer move to make.
It’s not the picks. When you’re burning down your roster to tank, you want ending contracts, no matter who the player or what the skill level. Anyone remember us taking on the corpse of Aminu while offloading DeRozan? Or an injured Gallinari when trading DJ?
When you’re tearing it down, you’re only interested in ending contracts. Period.
Are you drunk or something? Wasn't my post clear enough?
Chicago would end up with expiring deals and 2 SRPs after it's all said and done.
Spurs would spend 4 SRPs to get Vucevic.
A third team would get 2 SRPs to take on Collins and one of our scrubs for an extra year.
That wasn’t mentioned in your original post. A bit of moving the goalposts.
Sorry, I assumed you have enough reading comprehension to figure it out.
Why else would we send 4 SRPs if the asking price was 2? Because Collins is also a bad contract and they'd want to get rid of him.
But apparently I should've written everything in detail because that's just how spurstalk is.
I liked Vooch when he was headed out of Orlando, but what's the value proposition for us? Upgrading the backup C position? We're just moving from one overpriced backup to another, better, overpriced backup. Or are we going to a two-big lineup (I wouldn't hate this with someone like Vooch, tbh, but I don't see it happening).
Vooch grades out as a much better D Rebounder (96th percentile per Dunks & Threes) and about the same on OREB as Collins. His offensive game is far more developed and better than Collins, but where will his minutes come from? Does Sochan play some minutes at the 3 and Wemby gets a lot of his minutes at the 4 next to Vooch (even if not starting)?
If just upgrading the backup C position, Big Daddy Val remains my guy, or just #PlayBassey
You write poorly and unclearly. A simple “yeah, we could involve a third team to offload Collins” would have been the end of the discussion on my part.
The proposition for us would be that he'd on every single backup big and it's not like we can spend the money elsewhere before 2026 since 2025 free agency sucks.
And if we're to make a trade, he's easier to move than Collins because he's actually a good player.
He can get ~16 minutes at C and 5-10 more together with Wemby.Vooch grades out as a much better D Rebounder (96th percentile per Dunks & Threes) and about the same on OREB as Collins. His offensive game is far more developed and better than Collins, but where will his minutes come from? Does Sochan play some minutes at the 3 and Wemby gets a lot of his minutes at the 4 next to Vooch (even if not starting)?
We don't really have any natural PFs.
Jeremy can't be seen as a PF on defense if he's the point of attack defender.
Barnes is solid, but a bit undersized for a PF.
Mamu doesn't get minutes.
Vucevic is a better shooter than Keldon, so it's not like our spacing would suffer.
If this post was unclear:
for you to deduce that I'm adding extra SRPs because Collins has negative value, then idk what to tell you.Two SRPs???
Make the call, Brian.
I'd offer Collins+scrubs as salary match+4 SRPs, tbh.
Why do you have to be that annoying kid who reminded the teacher about homework?
If you don't like the post, find it unreadable or want to act like a Karen, please find someone else, I'm really not in the mood for your smartass antics because sometimes it feels like you're just instigating when there's no reason for it.
Kind of like when the Spurs took on the Expiring contracts of Josh Richardson and Devonte Graham... oh wait.
One of my favorite SpursTalk sub-features: the inevitable exstatic post where he says something with authority that is so easily refuted by recent, easily verifiable facts.
Fun fact for everyone else: Zach Collins has about the same or less contract term remaining on his deal as when the Spurs acquired Josh Richardson and Devonte Graham. Sometimes teams make moves for lots of different reasons. There is no hard and fast rule that "When you’re tearing it down, you’re only interested in ending contracts. Period."
Thanks for attending this TedTalk.
Once you tear the roster down then you rent your cap. That’s what Devonte and JRuch were. That’s what Barnes is. Two different things.
I just don't see the Spurs going to a two big lineup for any real rotation minutes, at least not for a player like Vooch, at least not as this stage. It would require a pretty significant change in on the court philosophy, which is the reason I'm skeptical of this move.
No arguments about how he'd be in an upgrade, it's just not a seamless fit like upgrading Collins with Jonas would be (or upgrading Keldon with someone like DFS, for example). And if we make any moves (which I doubt we will), I would anticipate them being like-for-like, seamless fit upgrades (and I think we should do this, for the record)
Both Devonte and Rich were acquired pre-Wemby, aka still "tearing it down" (this is something that could also be easily verified or, you know, just remembered by using your brain)
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