Foundational Falshoods of Creationism

[spurraider21]

lol

referring to "god" as "him"


as if "god" were something "separate" from you, from me, from the earth, from the universe", and as if you reached this conclusion and were arrogant enough to believe you were even close...


what a blind arrogant fool you are and I gave you truth in my last post to you and you could not even respond to it because it was irrefutable.

the bible calls god a he

[xmas1997]

i'm asking for YOUR BELIEF. i'm not claiming i know these things as facts. i can't have a conversation with you if i dont have a grasp of your beliefs.

do YOU BELIEVE the story of abraham actually, factually happened. from your previous comments, the answer appears to be "no." if that is the case, and you believe that the events didnt occur, then it stands to reason that you believe those events are fictional.

That would only be a reasonable assumption if you believed everything in life is cut and dry, black and white.
But I give you more credit than that simplistic viewpoint, life is much more gray, and the black and white conception is just an illusion that is easier for us to wrap our minds around than to consider other possibilities.
I look for the truth, rather than illusion, and I rarely take any ones' word for things anymore because nine times out of ten they will be wrong.

[TheyCallMePro]

I have no idea what this thread is about. So I'll weigh in!

The law of gravity condenses space into matter. In other words, it creates something from nothing.

Life is energy. Energy is everywhere. But it takes different forms. Life is just one of them.

There is no end to space because space is by it's own definition, nothing. And there can't be an end to nothing. However, there is an end to matter out there in space, but the idea that "all the matter in the universe that exists currently is all the matter that there ever will be" is ludicrous. What do you call reproduction if not the creation of matter?

We are destined to become Godlike. We will live forever, and we will master space and the universe. And eventually, we'll all separate from one another, as death will be the only obstacle we'll face, as only God's can kill one another. We will create our own kingdoms in the vast, endless universe.

The End.

[xmas1997]

lol

referring to "god" as "him"


as if "god" were something "separate" from you, from me, from the earth, from the universe", and as if you reached this conclusion and were arrogant enough to believe you were even close...


what a blind arrogant fool you are and I gave you truth in my last post to you and you could not even respond to it because it was irrefutable.

I don't think they are going to "get" this, since they are already having problems understanding what I am saying.
And we know he isn't interested in truth.
Like you said, trolls and truth don't go together.

[Blake]

^This is what you really wanted to do all along. ^
You are so predictable.
Plus it is why I rarely give you a civil answer anymore.
You're just playing a kiddie game.
This is all you ever do.

Why are you getting upset? You gave a spaghetti monster response. It is what it is.

Yes or no. Do you believe in the resurrection story?

[xmas1997]

I have no idea what this thread is about. So I'll weigh in!

The law of gravity condenses space into matter. In other words, it creates something from nothing.

Life is energy. Energy is everywhere. But it takes different forms. Life is just one of them.

There is no end to space because space is by it's own definition, nothing. And there can't be an end to nothing. However, there is an end to matter out there in space, but the idea that "all the matter in the universe that exists currently is all the matter that there ever will be" is ludicrous. What do you call reproduction if not the creation of matter?

We are destined to become Godlike. We will live forever, and we will master space and the universe. And eventually, we'll all separate from one another, as death will be the only obstacle we'll face, as only God's can kill one another. We will create our own kingdoms in the vast, endless universe.

The End.

I like the way you think.

[xmas1997]

Why are you getting upset? You gave a spaghetti monster response. It is what it is.

Yes or no. Do you believe in the resurrection story?

Why are you making false accusations again?
Because you have no logical response you resort to saying someone is upset, when that is the furthest thing from the truth.
Do you just love to lie, because for the most part that is all you do?
Is that the real reason you have an ex-wife?
Or is it because you are really just 13, or 14, or 15?
I think it is the latter.

[silverblk mystix]

I have no idea what this thread is about. So I'll weigh in!

The law of gravity condenses space into matter. In other words, it creates something from nothing.

Life is energy. Energy is everywhere. But it takes different forms. Life is just one of them.

There is no end to space because space is by it's own definition, nothing. And there can't be an end to nothing. However, there is an end to matter out there in space, but the idea that "all the matter in the universe that exists currently is all the matter that there ever will be" is ludicrous. What do you call reproduction if not the creation of matter?

We are destined to become Godlike. We will live forever, and we will master space and the universe. And eventually, we'll all separate from one another, as death will be the only obstacle we'll face, as only God's can kill one another. We will create our own kingdoms in the vast, endless universe.

The End.

A lot of good stuff in here ^


I would only differ in my opinion - in that - we (humans) will only do what we have done throughout history -


which is to destroy each other and most of the planet - until nature - does its thing - and exterminates us.

[Chinook]

I have no idea what this thread is about. So I'll weigh in!

The law of gravity condenses space into matter. In other words, it creates something from nothing.

Life is energy. Energy is everywhere. But it takes different forms. Life is just one of them.

There is no end to space because space is by it's own definition, nothing. And there can't be an end to nothing. However, there is an end to matter out there in space, but the idea that "all the matter in the universe that exists currently is all the matter that there ever will be" is ludicrous. What do you call reproduction if not the creation of matter?

We are destined to become Godlike. We will live forever, and we will master space and the universe. And eventually, we'll all separate from one another, as death will be the only obstacle we'll face, as only God's can kill one another. We will create our own kingdoms in the vast, endless universe.

The End.

Um... To each their own? I'll give you credit for at least breaking up the monotony.

[RD2191]

Can you imagine theycallmepro and xmas together while smoking a joint? Ho lee . I'd pay to see that .

[xmas1997]

God isn't allowed to have contradictions and paradoxes because perfection requires it.

"free will" is a sidebar, but since you bring it up, it's also a holy paradox.

Someday, you might actually say something profound,



but it isn't today.


As usual, you don't know what you're talking about.
So, are you 13, 14, or 15?

[xmas1997]

Um... To each their own? I'll give you credit for at least breaking up the monotony.

You do a pretty good job of it yourself.

Too bad things are so boring upstairs, or I wouldn't be down here.

[xmas1997]

Can you imagine theycallmepro and xmas together while smoking a joint? Ho lee . I'd pay to see that .

I have a feeling you'd be right there with us.

[RD2191]

I have a feeling you'd be right there with us.

[spurraider21]

That would only be a reasonable assumption if you believed everything in life is cut and dry, black and white.
But I give you more credit than that simplistic viewpoint, life is much more gray, and the black and white conception is just an illusion that is easier for us to wrap our minds around than to consider other possibilities.
I look for the truth, rather than illusion, and I rarely take any ones' word for things anymore because nine times out of ten they will be wrong.

i'm not talking about "everything in life"

i'm not talking about "black, white, grey, conceptions, illusions"

i'm talking about a very specific event that either happened or didn't happen, and its apparent you are just trolling by not being straightforward with it.

but you already goofed by admitting you dont think the events of the bible happened literally, and thus believe they are fiction

[xmas1997]

i'm not talking about "everything in life"

i'm not talking about "black, white, grey, conceptions, illusions"

i'm talking about a very specific event that either happened or didn't happen, and its apparent you are just trolling by not being straightforward with it.

but you already goofed by admitting you dont think the events of the bible happened literally, and thus believe they are fiction

I agree with the bold part, but not the rest, sorry.
Things are just not that cut and dry, especially where it comes to the bible and other other religious books.

[spurraider21]

I agree with the bold part, but not the rest, sorry.
Things are just not that cut and dry, especially where it comes to the bible and other other religious books.

if the events didn't happen, then they are by definition fiction. that is not a matter of "agreeing" with me, and not subject to debate

[xmas1997]

if the events didn't happen, then they are by definition fiction. that is not a matter of "agreeing" with me, and not subject to debate

Just saying.
So what do you believe or disbelieve about the bible in particular, and God in general???

[spurraider21]

Just saying.
So what do you believe or disbelieve about the bible in particular, and God in general???

myself? im not a man of faith. i will never believe in anything solely on the grounds of "faith."

i will "believe" in something if there is evidence to support it. if there is a question we can't answer, then i will accept that we don't have the answers for it yet. for instance, we don't know exactly how the first life originated on earth. we have some tiny clues, a very basic understanding of how the building blocks of life came about, but its still a mystery. rather than throwing my arms up and saying "we dont have the answer, so it must be god" (also known as having a 'god of the gaps'), i will accept that we don't know, and wait for further advancements and research to provide an answer.

when it comes to my religious views, i think the best description for me is N/A. i can't sit here and tell you "god doesn't exist." i can't prove it. its a logical fallacy to try to prove it, since its impossible to do so. but at the same time, i dont believe in a god. its the same logic as the flying spaghetti monster. i know the concept of the flying spaghetti monster is completely moronic and is meant to be satirical, but can i actually prove that it doesn't exist? nope. its illogical to attempt to do so.

as i tried to explain to robdiaz many times, the fact that i say "i dont believe in god" is NOT me claiming that "god does not exist."

[spurraider21]

as for the bible or other holy books? i'm really not a fan. i was raised christian, attended private school with weekly religion classes, etc. i grew up believing the tales. but as i grew, learned, and tried making sense of the tales, they no longer made any sort of sense to me. i see the bible as allegory as well. it is meant to teach us lessons, give us hope, etc. but i doubt its based on true, historical events. it was also written and used as a method of control. its also a moneygrab, which religious ins utions take advantage of

[xmas1997]

myself? im not a man of faith. i will never believe in anything solely on the grounds of "faith."

i will "believe" in something if there is evidence to support it. if there is a question we can't answer, then i will accept that we don't have the answers for it yet. for instance, we don't know exactly how the first life originated on earth. we have some tiny clues, a very basic understanding of how the building blocks of life came about, but its still a mystery. rather than throwing my arms up and saying "we dont have the answer, so it must be god" (also known as having a 'god of the gaps'), i will accept that we don't know, and wait for further advancements and research to provide an answer.

when it comes to my religious views, i think the best description for me is N/A. i can't sit here and tell you "god doesn't exist." i can't prove it. its a logical fallacy to try to prove it, since its impossible to do so. but at the same time, i dont believe in a god. its the same logic as the flying spaghetti monster. i know the concept of the flying spaghetti monster is completely moronic and is meant to be satirical, but can i actually prove that it doesn't exist? nope. its illogical to attempt to do so.

as i tried to explain to robdiaz many times, the fact that i say "i dont believe in god" is NOT me claiming that "god does not exist."

This is true, the two statements are not equivalent.
A phase I never heard before is "god of the gaps" which I imagine has to do with once you have exhausted all attempts to prove or disprove something, then all that is left to say is, "well, it must mean God".
I have used the phrase "flying spaghetti monster" many times in the past when I was an atheist, or rather an agnostic.
Thanks for being frank.
I am sorry I could not answer your question with as much candor.

[RandomGuy]

But it doesn't make him wrong - and you are implying that - and you appear to be in cahoots with the trolls in the thread who have no interest whatsoever in learning anything, sharing anything, discovering anything.

Their sole purpose is to ridicule, confirm their own inaccurate conclusions, troll, lie, distort, condescend, etc...

Xmas has been more than open and honest and respectful - yet - this is just something that means nothing to trolls.


Why are you suddenly jumping on the troll bandwagon?


The scriptures are merely a guide, a handbook, an example, a teaching tool to grasp some of the planet's mysteries.

Some people believe certain writings and take comfort in them, study them, try to interpret them, understand them.

Some of the events are allegorical. Some are factual. Some are embellished. Some are interpreted and re-interpreted wrongly or inaccurately.

Some events happened and then a LOT was lost in translation. Some seem impossible and probably are - but yet - they had meaningful messages and meaningful teachings - even if the event itself was exaggerated or misinterpreted.


But you know and knew all this - why the dishonest game?

Meh. Sounds like you are talking about the Smurfs movie.

I mean, Neal Patrick Harris really did say the things in the movie. The movie shows a real New York. A real person with a real place.

There is even a moral to the movie.

That doesn't mean that there are magic blue creatures being chased by a wizard and his pet cat.

I think of Jesus the same way.

Jesus real? Quite possibly.

Jesus being the Son of God, and wandering around doing magic tricks? No.

[spurraider21]

This is true, the two statements are not equivalent.
A phase I never heard before is "god of the gaps" which I imagine has to do with once you have exhausted all attempts to prove or disprove something, then all that is left to say is, "well, it must mean God".
I have used the phrase "flying spaghetti monster" many times in the past when I was an atheist, or rather an agnostic.
Thanks for being frank.
I am sorry I could not answer your question with as much candor.

yeah, the flying spaghetti monster concept was basically made up to highlight the "burden of proof"... when people say "you can't prove that god DOESN'T exist" they are misunderstanding where the burden of proof lies. if you are making the claim that god exists, the burden of proof would be on you to demonstrate why god exists. much like if i actually claimed the flying spaghetti monster exists, the burden of proof should be on me to prove it.

[RandomGuy]

Answer is the same. Different times, different customs, different cir stances.

So tell me where Jesus said slavery is a bad thing.

[RandomGuy]

yeah, the flying spaghetti monster concept was basically made up to highlight the "burden of proof"... when people say "you can't prove that god DOESN'T exist" they are misunderstanding where the burden of proof lies. if you are making the claim that god exists, the burden of proof would be on you to demonstrate why god exists. much like if i actually claimed the flying spaghetti monster exists, the burden of proof should be on me to prove it.

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