official offseason thread

[kobyz]

Spurs should definitely go after James Harden:
Murray, Mills, Walker, Luka, #11, future first for Harden
Spurs a contender: White/Harden/Johnson/DeMar/LMA... Before other acquisition

[Drom John]

FiveThirtyEight Raptor

DeMar DeRozan, +2.8 Offense, -2.7 Defense, Net +0.1, WAR 3.3 (tied at #89 with Jae Crowder, Aaron Holiday, JaVale McGee)
Robert Covington, -0.3 Offense, +2.0 Defense, Net +1.7, WAR 5.8 (tied at #30 with Karl-Anthony Towns)

[Mugen]

Meanwhile Pop & RC vetoing trades because "it wouldn't be fair to the other team."

[Prime BEEF]

What do you imagine that Detroit trade looks like? Griffin, Doumbouya, and 7?

I would say DDR/Murray/#41 for Griffin/Kennard/#7

[ace3g]

Shams Charania ShamsCharania





Magic swingman James Ennis will decline his $2.1M player option and become a free agent, sources tell @TheAthleticNBA @Stadium.
10:11am · 17 Nov 2020 · TweetDeck

[YoungbuckMurray]

Shams Charania ShamsCharania



Magic swingman James Ennis will decline his $2.1M player option and become a free agent, sources tell @TheAthleticNBA @Stadium.
10:11am · 17 Nov 2020 · TweetDeck

I like Ennis he is a solid defender and brings energy. He’s a dawg

[ace3g]

Shams Charania ShamsCharania
48m
Kings forward Jabari Parker will exercise his $6.5 million option for the 2020-21 season, sources tell @TheAthleticNBA @Stadium.

[look_at_g_shred]

[Dex]

This just in: The Spurs have traded Derrick White, Keldon Johnson and #11 for Davis Bertans and two 2nd round picks.

[exstatic]

Saddiq Bey = this year's Nassir Little

He’s a coke head?

[Dejounte]

He’s a coke head?

Let it be known

I was very vocal about not wanting about Nassir last year

As I am this year with Vassell and Bey

Y'all have to listen to me. I get this right!

[Spursfanfromafar]

Two outlets - fivethirtyeight.com and theringer.com are high on the Spurs drafting Bey - https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...modern-league/ & https://nbadraft.theringer.com/?_ga=...604600969#mock

My favorite pick in this draft is actually Okoro, despite his broken jump shot. The kid is an outright winner with his defense alone. And such kids turn out to do well growing up in the NBA. But short of getting Okoro, the Spurs will do well to get the best available 3 an D SF left in the draft. Bey fits the bill at 11.

[Dejounte]

Two outlets - fivethirtyeight.com and theringer.com are high on the Spurs drafting Bey - https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...modern-league/ & https://nbadraft.theringer.com/?_ga=...604600969#mock

My favorite pick in this draft is actually Okoro, despite his broken jump shot. The kid is an outright winner with his defense alone. And such kids turn out to do well growing up in the NBA. But short of getting Okoro, the Spurs will do well to get the best available 3 an D SF left in the draft. Bey fits the bill at 11.

And mock drafts are often wrong.

[Sugus]

Can y'all wait until the Spurs actually don't do anything in the draft before you start screaming about how the sky's falling? My god, it's just one day more.

Insane trades went down last night. Mwke really risked it all... I have the feeling this solidifies Giannis resigning there, though. He was very clear in every interview he's given - he wants the team and FO to be on the same page in regards to wanting to win, and putting themselves in a position for it. Now the Bucks have sacrificed their future for win-now players. Even if they don't ring (which I'd love them to), I can see Giannis being content with this and re-signing.

Hilarious to see the Rockettes absolutely imploding. Harden to the Nets sounds like real fun, but IMO he'll end up back in Philly, reunited with Morey. Ben Simmons is by far the biggest asset Houston could get, and I can absolutely see Morey shipping him out. The weak Philly FO won't veto the deal in Morey's first season - it's almost a done deal in my mind. The league is changing at an insanely fast pace nowadays.

One thing I gotta say... I'm SO glad the Spurs are finally dropping the "stay compe ive" act and look like they're embracing a rebuild. This is the absolute perfect time for it. In 3-4 years, right when our window should be opening again, most of these current "super-teams" and stars will be fading out, and lots of teams have mortgaged their future for win-now moves. Might mean less compe ion. Just gotta hope the Spurs make the right moves and can claim a piece of that future cake...

[Degoat]

I agree the draft will really make the difference on how things go, you never know if one of Patrick Williams, Obi Toppin, or Onyeka fall to the spurs that will change my perception on how things have gone lol

[Prime BEEF]

I agree the draft will really make the difference on how things go, you never know if one of Patrick Williams, Obi Toppin, or Onyeka fall to the spurs that will change my perception on how things have gone lol

Especially if they fall to #11 and the FO passes on them

[Dejounte]

Especially if they fall to #11 and the FO passes on them

This is 100% what's going to happen lol the draft night thread is gonna be fun to read

[Prime BEEF]

This is 100% what's going to happen lol the draft night thread is gonna be fun to read

Yup

[Leetonidas]

Harden to Brooklyn is "nearly complete." would be more intimidating if KD wasnt coming off an achilles tear at 32 and Irving wasnt incredibly injury prone already.

[YoungbuckMurray]

Harden to Brooklyn is "nearly complete." would be more intimidating if KD wasnt coming off an achilles tear at 32 and Irving wasnt incredibly injury prone already.

where did you see this?

[Dex]

Harden to Brooklyn is "nearly complete." would be more intimidating if KD wasnt coming off an achilles tear at 32 and Irving wasnt incredibly injury prone already.

And if they also weren't three thin-skinned divas who want to be known as "the man" but never really earned it.

[szkorhetz]

where did you see this?

https://basketball.realgm.com/wireta...s-Harden-Trade

[PhantomDashCam]

Think this hurts the Spurs who value culture and continuity above all.
Unlikely Spurs take on multiple new players including this years draft pick/s unless it for future capital.

[Chinook]

So who are the buyers?

LAC (though no assets), PHL, ATL, GSW, and MIN have all been said definitively to be looking for an upgrade

MIA, DAL, DEN, BRK and BOS are teams that you'd think would want to upgrade to keep up but might not.

It's still a third of the league who might be going for it. Only Harden (tier one obviously), Hayward, DMDR and LMA (2) remain as marquee-esque targets. After that you have to drop down to guys like Gordon, Otto Porter, Oubre and Danny Green for tier three and then like Rubio.

So to add to this, it seems like Boston and Hayward are working to extend his option date until after the draft. This could mean one of two things. Either Hayward wanted to prevent the Celtics from dealing him on draft night (unlikely) or Hayward is gone no matter what and is giving Boston the chance to move him to a team he wants that'll let him keep his salary.

I wouldn't be surprised if that team were SA. They have LMA as a matching contract, and they could also throw Mills/Gay/Poeltl at the Celtics for Hayward and Kanter. If Mills gets rerouted to Philly for Richardson (who'd go to Boston for one of their late firsts), Gay stays in Boston to replace Hayward as the bench PF and Jakob becomes the Celtics' center of the future. If this is a no-picks deal or at worse a deal where SA drops to 14, I think it's worth doing.

Murray, White, vet PG
Johnson, Walker, Weatherspoon
DeRozan, Woodard (41)
Hayward, Lyles, Samanic
Aldridge, Smith (14), Kanter

That's an underrated team in terms of talent. If they can bring themselves to flip Murray and White, I think those units could compete with at least the second tier in the West.

[szkorhetz]

So to add to this, it seems like Boston and Hayward are working to extend his option date until after the draft. This could mean one of two things. Either Hayward wanted to prevent the Celtics from dealing him on draft night (unlikely) or Hayward is gone no matter what and is giving Boston the chance to move him to a team he wants that'll let him keep his salary.

I wouldn't be surprised if that team were SA. They have LMA as a matching contract, and they could also throw Mills/Gay/Poeltl at the Celtics for Hayward and Kanter. If Mills gets rerouted to Philly for Richardson (who'd go to Boston for one of their late firsts), Gay stays in Boston to replace Hayward as the bench PF and Jakob becomes the Celtics' center of the future. If this is a no-picks deal or at worse a deal where SA drops to 14, I think it's worth doing.

Murray, White, vet PG
Johnson, Walker, Weatherspoon
DeRozan, Woodard (41)
Hayward, Lyles, Samanic
Aldridge, Smith (14), Kanter

That's an underrated team in terms of talent. If they can bring themselves to flip Murray and White, I think those units could compete with at least the second tier in the West.