Resuming CBA talks

[Dex]

Players rejected the offer.

[Dex]

WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
Fisher says players want to keep negotiating with the NBA on proposal, but will not accept owner's ultimatum offer.
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daldridgetnt David Aldridge
Fisher: These players make up the body of the NBA and provide the talent and the product, and want to have a voice on the working conditions
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HowardBeckNYT Howard Beck
Derek Fisher says player reps have backed exec board's decision: Rejecting NBA's offer. Willing to keep negotiating.
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daldridgetnt David Aldridge
Derek Fisher: our orders are clear...w/o system changes, no chance at deal before Wednesday deadline...
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WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
Fisher: "Our orders are clear that the current offer on the table is not acceptable...."
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[DJ Mbenga]

seems like the sign and trade is a big deal. i think the owners dont want a melo situation again but thats whats holding up a deal. i think 50 50 would be agreed to in a second if the owners let that go.

[weebo]

it's time to shut this mutha down

[DJ Mbenga]

yup. all system. seems like hunter is calling sterns bluff. and called out jordan too.

[Dex]

ESPNSteinLine Marc Stein
RT @TrueHoop: Billy Hunter not taking David Stern's threat seriously, saying he expects 50/50 offer won't go away no matter what happens WED
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WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
Hunter says he isn't buying NBA's offer comes off table for good tomorrow, still believes owners will eventually do a 50-50 revenue split.
8 minutes ago

May be true, but still seems like a stupid thing to come out and say.

[Fabbs]

1. Sternfish said the owners agreed to keep the guaranteed salaries in place.
W-h-y? This is one point i am firmly on the owners side. Give Mr Injured or even Mr. Suck Ass a portion of his salary but the Full Monty? No way! Meet somewhere in the middle of the NFLs rip off (zero) and NBA currents player pampering (100% guaranteed).
Just a few and not even the most outrageous:

Mike Dunleavy - $10,561,984
Dan Gadzuric - $7,248,325
Mike Finley-Popovich 21,000,000
Elton Brand - $15,959,099
Juwan Howard first player in NBA history to sign a contract worth more than $100 million;[132][133] his seven-year contract was worth $105 million.


2. Is Fisher and Hunter doing nothing to vastly increase the rookie 4 year salary limit when you have superstars like Derrek Rose that are making the owners mega bucks but making either less or just slightly more then Matt Bonner?

[DPG21920]

This is all to be expected at this point. We knew the players wouldn't accept this awful offer. We know that if the owners budge on the system, the players are ready to sign off. The question is will the owners act on what they have said and take a firmer stance now that they have been rejected? If so, the players are in a tough spot.

[Roger Freemason Jr.]

So that's it, no season. What a shame. At least the players aren't being punked out. Who knows, maybe the owners are all bark and no bite.

[benefactor]

Good lord...how much more do the owners want? The players are already giving them enough back to cover the majority of their screw ups. How about giving just a little to the players and getting this over with.

[ElNono]

I don't know if you guys noticed this yet, but the only ones that care about actually playing games are the fans. I don't think either side gives a about saving the season, the arena workers, blah blah blah

[Roger Freemason Jr.]

Yep, I noticed that. It's pretty ed.

[DPG21920]

I think the players do to a certain degree. But there is no way with this offer that they are in a position to accept IMO.

Also, I am fairly sure that even with the stated losses from the owners (which we all know are false) that the players concessions already cover about 90% of those (and in reality, I believe 100% because the losses are overstated).

[Roger Freemason Jr.]

Definitely. I'm starting to feel like the owners will cave.

[Giuseppe]

daldridgetnt David Aldridge
[[[Derek Fisher: our orders are clear...w/o system changes, no chance at deal before Wednesday deadline...
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Thank Christ.

Players finding some footing now. They're righted themselves.

[DPG21920]

I don't believe the owners will cave. I know it's logical to think so, but these are not logical people. Just because we want it and just because it makes sense, doesn't mean the owners will magically soften. They are doing what they are bc it's premeditated and this is going to get uglier. They have no real threat yet so there is no real incentive for them to move off their ridiculous stance (no incentive other than what one would think they logically have).

[Roger Freemason Jr.]

What's the deadline before the entire season is lost? I'm sure that's when things will heat up.

[ElNono]

What's the deadline before the entire season is lost? I'm sure that's when things will heat up.

Back in 99 it was somewhere in January IIRC.

[DPG21920]

It was January last time, but from my understanding, it would be before that now likely because no one was happy with a 50 game season.

[DPG21920]

Except us

[Roger Freemason Jr.]

Asterisk or not, Lakers got swept.

[Giuseppe]

The Skunker!!!

[DMC]

1. Sternfish said the owners agreed to keep the guaranteed salaries in place.
W-h-y? This is one point i am firmly on the owners side. Give Mr Injured or even Mr. Suck Ass a portion of his salary but the Full Monty? No way! Meet somewhere in the middle of the NFLs rip off (zero) and NBA currents player pampering (100% guaranteed).
Just a few and not even the most outrageous:

Mike Dunleavy - $10,561,984
Dan Gadzuric - $7,248,325
Mike Finley-Popovich 21,000,000
Elton Brand - $15,959,099
Juwan Howard first player in NBA history to sign a contract worth more than $100 million;[132][133] his seven-year contract was worth $105 million.


2. Is Fisher and Hunter doing nothing to vastly increase the rookie 4 year salary limit when you have superstars like Derrek Rose that are making the owners mega bucks but making either less or just slightly more then Matt Bonner?

Rookies should not make vet money. Any player coming from a minimum wage position (if that) getting millions is going to go ape already. Giving them the key to Gotham is a guarantee for more embarrassing moments for the NBA. Also, you cannot guarantee high money for a rookie because you don't have a large enough sample size of their abilities. You know they have great promise, and some 1st year guys are kicking ass, but if you do that long 22mil contract, you could get ed after the 2nd year and they decide " it".

[ChumpDumper]

Your nicknames are terrible.

[Bender]

Your nicknames are terrible.

2 out of 3 were... but I chuckled at "Finley-Popovich"