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I don’t think Keldon has positive value.
Its interesting trade, but I think Spurs are giving too much. Vassell, Keldon and Clean 4 FRP is way too much, given Vassell and Keldon have positive value.
I don’t think Keldon has positive value.
I would have done it in the summer but probably not now because Victor doesn't look ready to really be competing in deep playoff runs yet and Davis is the kind of guy you trade for to win in the next year or two since any further than that who knows what you're getting with his injury history.
I just don't see any blockbuster type trades on the horizon. I'd like to see a minor development type deal moving Wesley + the Charlotte 1st (which is 2 seconds) to Charlotte for NSJ. He's young with upsides and shoots 43% from 3. I'd rather spend some time working with that than with what Wesley is bringing.
Mark Williams is a Zion level injury time bomb. They’re not trading NSJ.
Is Charlotte playing Nick Smith Jr. as Mark Williams' replacement? Maybe that's their problem.
Posted this in the Champ thread but will put here as well:
Not that I have a strong desire to get rid of him, but Julian might sneakily be one of our absolute best trade assets to a very specific subset of teams. Dude plays solid defense, is a decent (but inconsistent - which can be fixed) shooter, and is under contract for less than 2% of the cap for two more years after this one.
A 1st apron team (who cannot take back more salary than they send) with atrocious depth would LOVE a guy like Champ. The Spurs can take back up to $6.25MM for Julian, and a 1st team would just have to send out $3MM or more. The Spurs would obviously require draft compensation for this, and I think Julian could actually net an FRP from a playoff team looking to make a move like this.
Here are all the teams to whom this would apply
- DEN could send any one of: Saric, Westbrook, Braun, Holmes. I think Saric is the only one who makes even a little bit of sense, but it leaves DEN even weaker in bench bigs and they probably don't need another SF. That might be the only position they're okay on depth wise.
- PHX is actually who could probably use Julian the most but they don't have any contracts that work
- MIN could only send NAW, so they probably wouldn't do that.
- BOS could send Jaden Springer, who I've heard somewhere that they might actually look to move, but I'm not sure they need Julian... but they do love to shoot 3s, play some D, and get great value from the Spurs.
- MIL has no one they can send
- LAL could send Christian Wood, Dalton Knecht (not going to happen), or Jalen Hood-Schifino. The Lakers declined JHS's 3rd year option so this would actually be a perfect move for them if they wanted to add a player like Champ.
- NYK could send Miles McBride or Precious Achiuwa, they aren't going to do either of those things.
- MIA could send: Josh Richardson, Jaime Jaquez, Kevin Love, Kel Ware, or Haywood Highsmith. Richardson and Love would be the realistic options, probably Josh.
- PHI could send: Eric Gordon, Jared McCain, or Andre Drummond. This isn't a move they're going to make though it would be hilarious.
How does Champ to MIA for Josh and a 2028 FRP and a 2029 Swap sound?
Problem with trading Champ is that to other teams it's not clear if his improvement is sustainable or that he's a rotation guy on a playoff team (yet). Problem for the Spurs is it's not clear how good he can get. It may also not be a good sign to players now and in the future that we're ready to dump them if they develop. There's value in showing dedication to this type of player.
He's getting 9 minutes per game. I don't think they're committed to him.
Good points on all fronts, but this would be a case where Champ offers a unique value to a certain subset of teams (in large part because of his contract) and the Spurs may be able to exact an abnormal sized return for him. Certainly don't need to be shopping him... but if one of those teams comes calling?
I would love to get a swap in 203X for Champagne
Agree on all these points, but I do wonder what becomes of his role once he moves back to the bench. Will he be as effective?
If he does leave SA at some I think he’d be perfect with the Knicks.
Two part question:
1) What has to happen for NOP to be willing to move Trey Murphy III?
2) How big of a package would we be willing to put together? He's the 6'8" wing we need. Shoots well, plays D, is more than just a 3&D though, has some self creation ability. His 4/112 deal kicks in next season, which is a pretty sweet deal.
There‘s no reason for them to move him. Dejounte on the other hand…
There is one reason: they get an offer they can't refuse.
BI looks to want to move on, and Zion looks busted. They may have to blow it up.
Atlanta's picks are going to be in the 12-20. If SA's picks in 26 and 29 are not worse than bottom 10, then the Spurs missed something. We still keep our 25 pick and the worst of Atlanta-SA in 2026.
Russel's, Wood's and Hood's contracts are expiring so it's essentially Davis who is having an MVP season.
Losing Collins, Branham and Johnson is not a big deal for the Spurs. I like Vassel but I always feel that he doesn't play great with Wemby.
The question is more, can the Spurs be compe ive next year because Davis is already 31 so the window would be short. I feel that Paul, Castle, Barnes, Wemby, Davis is a pretty good lineup with Sochan and Champagnie from the bench. The Spurs would need another big (maybe Bassey is enough) and a guard.
I dont think they are far off. They need to take the L and move off Zion and get whatever they can back. CJ will mercifully come off soon too.
A healthy SL of DJ-Tre-Herb-BI-Missi could be pretty interesting, with a Top 5 pick coming top (Harper?). Thought Missi looked good today.
I'd give NOP for TM3:
SA25
ATL25
SA27
26 Swap (so NOP would get the best of SA/NOP/ATL and SA would get the second best of those 3, ATL would get the worst)
Always liked some of those NOLA pieces. Herb Jones and especially Trey Murphy III. Doubtful either could be pried away but if the Pels are going to break things down and rebuild wonder if an opportunity arises.
You'd get him now with that offer. We won't offer that much. To answer your initial question about what would it take to move him? As ex said they may blow it up, and that's what it'll take unless someone overpays significantly.
If the Pelicans do blow things up I think they would try to keep Dejounte/Herb/Murphy and jettison the rest.
They would only trade one of those three in conjunction with offloading Zion's contract, or if they get some sort of Godfather offer.
Ingram will roll off this summer and next year McCollum will be an expiring contract. Zion is the only obstacle between now and their new era.
That’s not blowing it up, and won’t get you into the top 10, let alone the top 4. You have to strip mine the roster, get what you can, then with those picks, plus your own high picks, you can rebuild. That roster could probably make the playin.
They're the 2nd worst team in the league now... so this assertion is certainly debatable.
Well, that's the point.
I know we won't offer that much... but I would. Of the three picks I'd be offering up, none of them would project to be Top 10 picks, except for maybe the 26 Swap, but most likely from it not being used (meaning, NOP just keeps their own pick).
Murphy is one of the few pieces they should keep... so I'd give them the DJM deal to get him (this is slightly better than the DJM deal... maybe you can turn one of those FRPs into a protected pick)
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