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Nah, we at least got someone who plays some defense,and next year,you’ll see that he’s as clutch as Trae. Fox has actually won the NBA clutch player award in its inaugural year.
You're not alone here - plenty of people will be going after him......
In the playoffs, if they make them.
Nah, we at least got someone who plays some defense,and next year,you’ll see that he’s as clutch as Trae. Fox has actually won the NBA clutch player award in its inaugural year.
Yeah i heard that somewhere. I'm good either way but i still think Tre commands more attention than Fox which would be even better for the rest of the team. I've always thought Wemby needs a true Alpha on the team for him to follow and be great as an aside. Especially at the center position where you are dependent on someone getting you the ball. (Wemby dribbling the ball downcourt will be a no-go in the playoffs.)
I don't know if I'm right or wrong, but I was very interested in Trae. I know he's a great passer (this really is one of his main strengths), but on the outside looking in, it seems like he's a bit like an inefficient scorer, and he's also a poor defender that most teams will try to hunt on that end of the court in the playoffs. Having said that, he also seems to be a killer with the game on the line, so I don't know. I think he's a darn good player where you can tell at the end of the game he wants to take that shot and can hit that shot to win it (you can tell he has the confidence and isn't afraid at the end of the game with those pressure shots/plays). Luka may be the more efficient player shooting the ball, but they both feel like that can take and make the shot (or pass the ball to the right player) with the game on the line.
I'd like to see how he does in the playoffs on a team that plays defense, and demands it just to see if he can actually be serviceable on that end. I haven't watched him much, though, so maybe there's not much upside for him on the defensive end.
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People keep saying Atlanta will start losing, and yet they don't. Young is better than Fox. He can shoot better and he is a better creator. Sure, Young is not a great defender, but it is overrated that he can't survive in a play off series because people will "hunt" him. All teams deal with that, including championship teams, and the Spurs are particularly built to handle that one with on the generationally great shot blockers and defenders in the game.
I'm sure the Spurs will be great with Fox, but I think they would've been better with Young.
Sigh. Why are falling back into this "Fox VS Trae" bull ?
Trae Young was never available for the Spurs. This was not an option, simple as that. Building up an imaginary fabrication of Trae in SanAn is a clear manifestation of the "What is ideal is an enemy of what is possible" proverb.
The Hawks could never have accepted a "Young for our picks back" type of deal because they could not face the admissions that 1) Taking Trae over Luka originally was a gigantic blunder, and 2) The Dejounte trade was terrible for them.
Having to ship out their franchise superstar in order to recoup the picks they traded away to bring a misfit "Robin" to the team would've been catastrophic optics for the FO, and such an admission of FO inep ude, that I'm not at all surprised to never have seen an offer on the table from the Hawks. They're rumored to have a "family-oriented" FO, and accountability is the an hesis of that business model.
He’s a volume assist guy who turns over the ball way too much. Around the ASG, he was first in the NBA in assists, but 40th in asst/TO ratio. If there’s such a thing as an assist chucker, he’s it.
Trae Young career shooting splits: 43.2/35.0/87.2 - eFG% of 50.3
De'Aaron Fox career shooting splits: 47.0/33.0/74.6 - eFG% of 51.5
Trae shoots (kind of inefficiently as he's below league average) 2.9 more 3PA/gm than Fox. If they both shot at Trae's career volume, it would equate to 0.15 extra 3PM/gm which amounts to less than 0.5 pts/gm. If they both shot at Fox's career volume (which might be more appropriate for a below league average shooter like Trae), it would only be 0.09 extra 3PM/gm, which amounts to 0.27 pts/gm.
Trae is not an appreciably better shooter than Fox, and Fox makes up for it with a better shot diet (resulting in a higher eFG%).
Isnt that the Hawks "system" for Tre to dribble dribble and then either shoot, flop or pass for instant shot from other guys ?
And even if Trae WAS available, it would have likely cost all of the Atlanta picks.
So say for a moment that you think Trae is a better player (which I don't, and neither do places like The Ringer, which list Fox as the 21st best player in the league and Trae as the 30th best player in the league... I'll provide more comparative data at the end of this post)... would folks here prefer Trae over Fox to the tune of giving up all of the ATL picks? I sure as wouldn't.
But as far as "Trae is better than Fox"... let's see what other opinions and (more importantly) factual data tells us:
Source Fox Rank Young Rank The Ringer Top 100 Players (Updated 2/27) 21 30 CBS Preseason Top 100 Players 27 35 ESPN Preseason Top 100 Players 26 37
So all three of these publications are in agreement that Fox > Young.
What do the advanced stats say?
Stat Fox Young VORP 1.3 0.8 CraftedWARP 4.46 3.2 LEBRON WAR 4.79 4.15 CraftedPlusMinus 1.8 0.6 CraftedOPM 2.1 3.0 CraftedDPM -0.3 -2.4 BPM 0.5 -0.4 OBPM 1.4 2.4 DBPM -0.8 -2.9 DARKO 1.6 1.5 DARKO O-DPM 2.3 3.4 DARKO D-DPM -0.7 -2.0 DRIP 1.8 1.0 O-DRIP 2.3 2.7 D-DRIP -0.5 -1.7 LEBRON 1.2 0.6 O-LEBRON 1.44 2.30 D-LEBRON -0.29 -1.67
Almost every advanced statistical measure points to Fox being a better player. Young is a better offensive player, but by virtue of being one of the the absolute worst defenders in the league (2nd percentile CraftedDPM, 4th percentile D-LEBRON) whereas Fox is more of a middle of the road defender, is a worse overall player than Fox... which aligns with the fact that every publication rates Fox as the better player in their own rankings.
^ Yeah, Young is the better offensive "engine" (playmaker and despite the down shooting season, pullup three-point shooter), but Fox is better two-way.
Now you could argue, especially with PG's/small guards, that the former is of greater importance, but in the end it's splitting hairs.
The Spurs would be different, but more or less the same in either case.
Another Hawks W tonight, this time against the tanking Sixers. They have one of the easiest remaining schedules in the league. Hopefully we land a difference maker with that 17th Overall Pick
whole east is trash
The Heat had to choke tonight lol.
Best case scenario is looking like the Magic or lolheat get it together and Hawks drop a few games to get the 8th seed.
Hawks get the 8th seed and lose to 7th seed. Then lose to the winner of the other play in game.
15th or 16th pick is looking most like it now. Magic and Heat had to start to ing suck lol
The East is hot garbage outside of the top 6.
Hoping Cooper Flagg goes East if it’s not to the Spurs. Wizards or nets would be nice.
20th pick here we come
Atlanta, at worst, loses 7 games the rest of the way. Very low probability they won't make the play in and they have looked better than the other play-in teams. Hard to see them not being at least the 8th seed.
They're a high variance, inconsistent team. Can beat anyone on a good night, but can also completely disappear.
They have the easiest remaining schedule, it's going to come down to the play-in games.
They would have to climb 4.5 games to get to 17, but only drop back 1.5 to return to 11. I’d say 11 is much more likely.Another Hawks W tonight, this time against the tanking Sixers. They have one of the easiest remaining schedules in the league. Hopefully we land a difference maker with that 17th Overall Pick
Its all going to boil down to the play in games. Trae Young will show up and carry them to the 8 seed.
Who is the best player the Spurs ever drafted with someone else's pick (excluding draft day deals, etc.)?
Its interesting looking at the Spurs lotto odds in comparison to where they were at around the trade deadline.
At the deadline the Spurs had the 10th and 11th best earned draft position which carry combined odds of 23.3% chance at the top four and a 5% chance at first overall. They now have the 8th and 16th. The 16th is out of the lottery and the 8th spot has a 26.3% chance at top four with a 6% chance at first overall.
Overall the Spurs odds of landing a top four pick have actually gone up slightly but if they don't get lotto luck their overall position worsened.
It's an interesting question in theory. Would you rather have the 8 and 16 with slightly better odds of landing a top four pick or the 10 and 11 with slightly worse odds at landing a top four pick.
Didn’t appreciate this, thanks for posting.
Based on what I’ve read about the “big drop” after 5, I’m inclined to do 8 and 16. Think they can still grab a good shooter at 16, while taking a swing with the higher pick.
It’s a crapshoot. They could wind up anywhere from 7th to 9th in the East. If they’re 9th, I don’t like their chances to win two games against focused opponents who care about the games.
With Flagg and Ace you’d much rather have the 8 and 16 with slightly better odds at a top four pick. In a weak draft like last season you just might take the 10 and 11 slightly worse odds at a top four pick.
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