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So Hornets have trade Collison, Posey and Wirght for Ariza and Belinelli. After a draft where they traded a lottery pick for financial reasons, their crappy offseason continue.
The deal is done:
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_yl...izatrade081110
http://twitter.com/STEIN_LINE_HQ/status/20906179430
ESPN.com sources: Hornets and Raptors have also agreed to a separate trade that will send Julian Wright to Toronto for Marco Belinelli
So Hornets have trade Collison, Posey and Wirght for Ariza and Belinelli. After a draft where they traded a lottery pick for financial reasons, their crappy offseason continue.
Well I think basketball wise NO got better, but there moves don't have a lot of logic. I wonder if the Spurs even showed interest in Ariza?
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Wonder if #spurs have wherewithal to make run at James Posey for backup SF spot? Assuming he gets bought out of contract post-trade.
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Some other media guys on twitter think maybe the Heat and Celtics could be after Posey if he gets bought out
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Rockets also got $6 million trade exception in four way trade, Y! Sports has learned.
I'd be surprised if Posey get's bought out, but if he does, my guess is his preference would be as follows: Celtics, Heat, Spurs.
Sure, the Spurs can offer more money and he's shown once before that he's willing to leave a championship team for money (though in this case, he'd potentially be able to do both; contend and make the most money), but the fact that those two teams are considered certified contenders and the fact that he has won a championship with both of those organizations and presumably has established relationships with some of the players on both teams, would likely mean he'd pick either of them over the Spurs.
It's too bad, because he'd be a perfect fit for the Spurs. Excellent size for an SF, can play small ball four, can play the stopper role, shoot the three, is clutch and when motivated (which he's proven to be when he's on a short term contract that isn't overly lucrative and contending for a championship) good enough to close games at SF if Jefferson struggles again.
posey would be nice spurs type of player hasnt impressed me though since he's been with the hornets
So, Chris Paul wants to leave the Hornets and they trade Collison...
It's a big middle finger to teams wanting to pry away Chris Paul. Then again, it opens more doors for Parker/Paul trade ejaculation on this board...So, Chris Paul wants to leave the Hornets and they trade Collison...
Trading Collison to build around Paul makes ton of sense for them. They tried to play Collison alongside Paul and it didn't work at all (lack of size and two ball dominant players).So, Chris Paul wants to leave the Hornets and they trade Collison...
The reason why I find Hornets offseason crappy is that they had 2 great trade assets (a lottery pick and Collison) and they got very few from them.
Ariza is a great pickup... Heck, I would have loved if the Spurs could have pulled a trade for him (no, not Tony).
I would be surprised to see Posey waived. He still has 2 years in his contract and with a possible lock out, Pacers could buy out something that they won't finally pay.
If he is bought out, Spurs should go after him but only with the min. with the luxury tax, a LLE contract would cost $6M to Spurs next year. An aging Posey isn't worth $6M.
Agree. It's already debatable he's got anything left in the tank. A cursory look for the vet min until Jan would work.
Except that Paul wants to leave. He wants to play in NY.
Paul might want to leave now but he is still under contract for 2 years and things can change.
I am so surprised the Rockets gave up on Ariza already. Not to beat a dead horse, but looking at RJ's contract now makes me even more sick knowing 1)Ariza was available & 2)That the Rockets turned Ariza's "bad contract" into a solid young player and a 6M TE while the Spurs got nothing for RJ.
rockets fcked up for tryin to make him a no.1 option when his clearly not and fkn limited on offense...
I know. I thought they would know they put Ariza in a position to fail. They were decimated by injury and Ariza had to be a main option. Mid-Level money guys are not main options, they are role players.
If you are building a contender, Ariza is a solid piece to have.
in aye. Ariza is limited on offense, but he can hustle on D and he could have been a great fit here. Instead we're stuck with a 30yo jerkoff. .
Granted, he's aging, but Posey, when he's had long term security and been on a non contender, has always lacked motivation to consistently play hard. When he hasn't had long term security and he's been on a contender, he's been consistently motivated.
If the Spurs got him, I'd expect him to have a solid season. But as I said, I think he'd pick the Celtics (Heat have a full roster; supposedly Beverley's contract is guaranteed) over the Spurs. The Spurs only chance would probably be to offer him the remainder of their mid-level exception. If they're not going to offer him more money, why would he pick them over the Celtics?
The Pacers don't like having to buy players out, but Posey makes no sense for them. They've got Granger, Dunleavy, Rush, Jones, George and Stephenson to play the wings. Even though Granger is likely to play plenty of PF next season and Stephenson could play some PG, that's still a lot of depth.
Indeed. This move makes the Spurs look even more foolish for offering RJ the contract they did before he tested the market(if that is actually what happened). RJ had basically no options besides the Spurs...so they could have painted him into a corner by offering him a two year deal with a third year partial guarantee on a S&T to Houston for Ariza. If they sweeten it with a pick I'm betting Houston bites.
Posey has had a bad reputation about his work ethic for some years. but over 30 a player needs to work even harder, especially during off season, to stay in NBA shape. Posey's last 2 seasons decrease likely wasn't just the lack of motivation, it was the combination of age and to little work. I'm not sure that this is reversible when the player will turn 34 during next season.
overall I always thought Posey would be a very good solution for the Spurs SF spot. but I do think his time is over and he wouldn't help the Spurs today, even not on the cheap. (if he is bought out, what I don't believe will happen)
I know he has...when he's had long term security and been on a non contender. If he were to get bought out and come to the Spurs, that wouldn't be the case.
I don't think he'll get bought out either, even though the Pacers are overloaded at SF. How could you not want the Spurs to take a chance on him if he's bought out though? Name another backup SF option that the Spurs could sign who has a better chance of providing what they need out of that position than Posey? I see it as a no brainer.
Posey will not seek a buyout from the Pacers
James Posey's agent, Mark Bartelstein, told SI.com that the veteran swingman will not seek a buyout from Indiana. Posey and point guard Darren Collison were acquired by the Pacers in a four-team trade on Wednesday. While Indiana has a pressing need for Collison, it would appear to have little need for the 33-year-old Posey, who has two years and more than $13 million remaining on his contract. The Pacers used their lottery pick to draft Paul George in June and already have wings Danny Granger, Mike Dunleavy, Dahntay Jones and Brandon Rush on their roster. SI.com
Looks like Posey, Prince and Ariza were all available before the Spurs signed RJ..
All 3 players are much better defensively than RJ.
From what I saw last season, RJ doesn't have the quickness to defend well.
Now with a four year contract, I doubt he can be traded.
The Rockets want to contend, which means they wouldn't trade with the Spurs, and that they don't see trading Ariza to NO making the Hornets a contender. Prince is still on the books for a lot of money, which means we could only trade for him, which means we didn't have a package we were willing to build or the Pistons were willing to take to get him. Posey would also have to be traded for, and he's a joke at his current value, so leave it at that. Let's not try to magically convert these situations into the Spurs FO being remiss, howsabout?
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