What would be the point of moving Murphy or Hawkins when they're the type of players you want to draft?
Herb is on a bargain contract and not a floor raiser on offense, if he's content with staying there, they won't move him.
They just got DJ and they can't move him for the same value.
I don't think anyone wants CJ at this stage of his career and Ingram just got injured again.
Zion is useless, there aren't many tanking moves to be made, they easily be the top3 worst team in the West at this pace.
Which is why the only way to get Trey is with a big overpay. Some of the most expensive guys to acquire are premier talents who aren't a hinderance to tanking (just like Lauri hasn't proven a hinderance to Utah tanking). But the same argument with Lauri... Trey is an extremely valuable, but rare archetype. I'd rather spend what seems like a high price, but in reality might just be a handful of Branhams.
Dejounte has been out, and BI hasn’t given a crap since they’re not meeting his number. Even if they were pretty bad, that’s only one player added to the roster, and in the wrong year,that could be mid. They also wouldn’t have a pick stash like OKC and SA have to really turbo charge their roster. That’s the template you should use,IMO. DJ is 28 and Herb is 26. Not exactly on the timeline for a 18 or. 18 YO draft pick in the next summer or two.
But that’s the point… they can just trade BI (and Zion for that matter, certainly he’ll return SOMETHING even if it’s not much) for what they can, load manage DJM/Trey/Herb and have a bottom 4 record. They don’t have get rid of that trio to accomplish that (I was referring to your comment that keeping DJM/Trey/Herb wouldn’t even get them a bottom 10 record, but maybe I misunderstood your point).
NOP is in one of those situations where they aren’t actually as bad as their record indicates and they luck into Flagg to plug right into Zion’s spot and are immediately a playoff team again. This is of course the reason they absolutely should NOT trade Murphy.
From listening to Vecenie and some others though sounds like NOP might end up resigning BI for more like $35-40MM/year. I wouldn’t if I were them though… trade him for some draft capital, tank this year for a top 4 pick, make some smart FA moves, and move forward. I don’t think NOP’s rebuild process needs to be a full tear down.
I didn't realize (until right now) that some of these teams can still aggregate outgoing salary if they wanted to make a move for Julian. That puts DEN and PHI in play to send us a pair of min contracts. Champ would fit really well with what Denver needs.
Again, this isn't an effort to get rid of Champ - it's just that he provides unique value to certain teams because they can acquire a useful vet player in exchange for end of bench scrubs who aren't playing because of just how good Julian's contract is.
Where are all the Zach to Pacers trade ideas? Y’all slacking on the job
Champ has become almost unmovable on a standalone basis: his contract and production make him an incredible bargain (including to the Spurs), which in turn levers up his asking price beyond what is probably reasonable for a rational team to give up.
If the Spurs wanted to deal directly with IND and send them Collins, the Pacers would have to send out about $9.5MM or more in salary.
They could accomplish this directly with Nesmith or Toppin (I'd love Nesmith, and then flip Keldon for Big Daddy Val and you've upgraded Collins and Keldon into Jonas and Nesmith, huge W) -OR- something like Jarace Walker and Isaiah Jackson (who is out for the year, and the Spurs would need to waive someone, Jackson is in the last year of his deal and is set to become an RFA, but might have resign or sign-and-trade value so you probably don't want to waive him. You could waive Sidy as he is not guaranteed for next year).
Beyond that, IND would have to aggregate like 4 guys which would 1) mean the Spurs have to waive 3 and 2) IND would have to sign a bunch of vets on min deals.
3-team deals open up more options.
I'd be totally up for Collins + Draft Picks for Nesmith.
I'd look at options to get Yasubele to the Spurs.
We have a trade deadline streak to keep alive this year!
- 2024: Dougie to IND
- 2023: Jakob to TOR; Richardson to NOLA
- 2022: D. White to BOS; Thad/Drew to TOR
- 2021: Rights to some scrub for $$
Heat listening to offers on Butler. Preferred teams are Houston, GS, and Dallas.
Don't see Houston gutting their roster for an aging Butler. Dallas would have to trade Kyrie or their ensemble which would defeat the purpose. GS is over the 2nd apron I believe and thus cannot aggregate players. Tough to see any realistic situation where Butler is traded to one of his preferred teams or a contender without a third team getting involved
GSW is just barely under the second apron and can still aggregate... but it would be tricky.
GSW could send Wiggins, Melton, Kuminga and Gui Santos and make it a legal trade, but would need to find a way to add more players to the roster via FA min deals, and MIA would have to waive two players (Santos and Melton)
Houston can't trade Jalen Green easily due to a poison pill and the only obvious salary match is FVV.
Dallas is a non starter. They can't do it.
GSW will need to aggregate players but seem like the most obvious possibility, maybe the only one. Everyone is talking Kuminga but I don't know if he's worth it, he's asking and expecting a big contract and he hasn't really consistently showed the value.
I'm not sure why Houston would go for him now anyway. Not the right timeline.
dallas would have to send Kyrie to reasonably make it work
if not they have to get a 3rd team involved and give up a LOT of players to cobble together the salary math, including Gafford, PJ Washington, Kleber (for the salary), and probably even Nnaji Marshall (who has been quite good for them)
makes no sense unless they want to do a Kyrie trade
i could see houston going for it. they have a good amount of talent but lack a closer.
You could find GM/ coach on kinda hot seat, who would not give a about pick 5-7 years down the line from now.
I can see Houston making a trade to move up in the standings even more, I just don't think its for Butler. Way way too much to give up for an expensive, aging, and often injured star.
Jimmy to Houston makes a ton of sense. Ime is probably keen on getting more vets in, which is why they were linked to Durant this summer. Problem is the the matching salary, right? I assume they want to keep the current vets like Fred and Dillon.
That's more than you were willing to give up for Markannen man
Had to go search for it, but this is the last proposal I mentioned in the Lauri thread:That's more than you were willing to give up for Markannen man
I still like my best offer of Keldon + SA26 + SA28 + SA30 + MIN31, and I'd even be willing to add Sochan
A few key distinctions:
At the time, the ATL picks had an unknown quality to them and were expected to be better. We now see that at least ATL25 ain't going to be all that.
The even number year picks I was including for Lauri perfectly aligned with Utah's pick warchest, because they are especially heavy in the odd years, and SA30 and MIN31 pick specifically offered unique value to Utah so they could completely own MIN's draft through 2031 (as the SA30 would have a swap with MIN attached).
But even so... there are two key characteristics that drive Murphy's price up relative to Lauri: age and contract.
With that said... fair call out
It's a ton to give up for a guy with a 14.9 PER, a 0.1 VORP, a 120 defensive rating (same as Ingram and McCollum), and who shoots 34% from the three. He seems like empty calories counting stats. I don't think I'd even give the Atlanta pick for him.Had to go search for it, but this is the last proposal I mentioned in the Lauri thread:
A few key distinctions:
At the time, the ATL picks had an unknown quality to them and were expected to be better. We now see that at least ATL25 ain't going to be all that.
The even number year picks I was including for Lauri perfectly aligned with Utah's pick warchest, because they are especially heavy in the odd years, and SA30 and MIN31 pick specifically offered unique value to Utah so they could completely own MIN's draft through 2031 (as the SA30 would have a swap with MIN attached).
But even so... there are two key characteristics that drive Murphy's price up relative to Lauri: age and contract.
With that said... fair call out
Team context matters. Herb Jones is regarded as a premier defender, but he has a 118 defensive rating on the same team (to go along with a lower PER and VORP). You could also look beyond this abysmal season for NOP and see he’s a career .388 3P Shooter, DRTG of 115, 114 and 114 in his previous 3 seasons in the league, and advanced defensive metrics that (aside from rim protection stats) grade out in the top half of all defenders in the league. https://craftednba.com/players/trey-murphy-iii
I’d happily give up three future Branhams for him.
Would you give up a Vassell, a Castle, a Sochan, and a Branham for him though? I don't think I would.
More like a trade target than a trade idea, but I wonder if the Spurs might look at Anfernee Simons, especially if they were to move on from Keldon. Simons is on a reasonable contract through the 25/26 season and a good shooter - not so much this season so far, but for his career, he is at over 38% from three on 11.7 attempts per 100 possessions. He is not a good defender, but neither is Keldon, and I think Simons could at least be passable in a good defensive team concept.
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