Resuming CBA talks

[boutons_deux]

NBA owners bringing the decades-long War on Employees (and on unions) to the NBA.

[baseline bum]

“I don’t want any of my clients playing for Michael Jordan, Paul Allen, Robert Sarver, Dan Gilbert or Peter Holt,” said one agent. “We won’t sign with them, unless they’re willing to really overpay. That’s going to be the only way these hardline owners are going to land any free agents after the way they’ve handled these negotiations.”

These small-market teams have a hard enough time trying to attract free agents. It won’t be any easier now thanks to the way the hardline owners have been depicted throughout this process.

http://www.hoopsworld.com/nba-am-uni...ocus-on-system

Empty threat.

[cantthinkofanything]

boutons_deux bringing his crappy opinions and two bit inferences to the thread

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

^ Agreed - FAs go wherever the best offer comes from. No agent will convince a player to take a worse deal in order not to work with said owners.

Pure bull .

[yavozerb]

Owners better start to negotiate or the season is gone. . .

I'm just shocked at the number of people on this site that blame the players for the same thing you could easily blame the owners for. It is just awful logic. I'm also shocked at how you can't see what the owners are doing and how the players have made every concession; very large concessions & the owners not only fail to move forward, but threaten to move backwards?

I agree the players have been unorganized and shuffled their feet some, but that is the only thing you can be upset about towards them IMO. Even then I have a hard time getting upset at that considering they did that because they had the (foolish) hope the owners wanted to negotiate in good faith. The owners are the greedy liars here and this CLEARLY falls on them IMO.

I do not give a about the players future salary decreasing from there current average of 5+ mil...I keep hearing that the NBA is all about the players, but yet its the owners who put up a couple hundred mil. of there own money to secure the business that is the NBA. Yes, you have the glitzy houses and skyscrapers which is the NBA players, but the foundation lies with the owners and the risk they must take in running an organization. Its time for owners to shake things up, if it takes missing a season to do this I'm all for it...

[DPG21920]

If that was the case, no FA would have ever gone to the Clippers.

[DPG21920]

I do not give a about the players future salary decreasing from there current average of 5+ mil...I keep hearing that the NBA is all about the players, but yet its the owners who put up a couple hundred mil. of there own money to secure the business that is the NBA. Yes, you have the glitzy houses and skyscrapers which is the NBA players, but the foundation lies with the owners and the risk they must take in running an organization. Its time for owners to shake things up, if it takes missing a season to do this I all for it...

You are en led to that opinion I just think its wrong. I also think its terrible logic to say this is on the players. Even if you truly believe what you say, the owners have already "shaken things up" by getting the players to drop BRI from 57% to 52%, and even 50% if they move on some of the ultra constrictive system issues (which they have already won as well). So you call the players idiots, but really it's the owners that don't give a crap about you and want to throw the season away. I understand your jealousy towards guys making lots of money to play ball, but that doesn't make your opinion have substance.

Bottom line is, no current crop of players means no league. Dump these owners and a new crop will step up. They "put up their money" because it's big business and the players allow them the opportunity to make big money. In any job the owners take risks but it's rare that you get access to a product (the players) who afford you such a rare opportunity. Again, if they are losing money as they claim, these lower level franchises wouldn't be selling for an all time high.

[boutons_deux]

The path to an N.B.A. labor deal, and the end to a 131-day lockout, came into sharper focus Tuesday, with the players signaling for the first time that they would accept the league’s proposed 50-50 split of revenues.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/09/sp...e-lockout.html

employers win, employees lose (for a long time), as always.

[timtonymanu]

LMAO Peter Holt.

I guess he's trying to make up for handing out those ty contracts to and Bonner.

But I'm with DPG. This is on the owners. Players have shown that they are willing to negotiate and actually give a about the fans and the season. I use to not care for either side but after hearing what has been going down, the players have given more. The owners think they can have it both ways which is bull . Players are still gonna lose this battle but at least I won't want to throw pitchforks at them like some of these owners (Holt included) and Stern.

[DesignatedT]

Just accept the damn deal. This in sucks.

[DPG21920]

Don't accept. For the owners: just negotiate a damn deal. Quit screwing everyone.

[DPG21920]

For some perspective to recap where we are at:

At the 50/50 BRI split, the players have conceded ~375 million per year. The owners stated losses (which keep in mind is worst case scenario since we know they are cooking the books and their actual losses are likely far less) for last year were ~300 million. So just in year one the players have at worst covered all the losses and given additional money back.

If the owners get their way with a 57% for them, that would be over 5 BILLION in concessions over the 10 year proposal.

Oh ya, the owners want all the system changes as well.


Those greedy idiot players should jump on that.

[ElNono]

But owners take all the risks

[boutons_deux]

Looks like the players have folded on BRI.

Now what about all the other concessions?

players are paying for NBA's greedy overexpansion. owners stupid overpaid contracts, beyond what the market and playing/coaching/mgmt talent can support.

[yavozerb]

Nobody is going to make these players sign anything...The owners are simply stating that if they wish to be part of the National Basketball Association these will be the stipulations and rules they must abide by. Not only is about recouping lost $ for the owners, its about creating a system where everyone has a viable chance at an NBA championship. The NBA was headed down the road of the MLB system which only rewards teams from big markets. This needs to stop now...I do not support the owners or players, but I do support equal opportunity for each organization to have a shot at a championship trophy without having to break the bank to do so...just my opinion

[DesignatedT]

In my eyes they are both greedy s with the amount of $ they both pull in. I dgaf who loses 2 million over the next 5 years when they have already made 20m in their lifetime. Choosing either side is re ed. Get a ing deal done, both of them because in the end neither of them is really getting "screwed" out of anything.

[DJ Mbenga]

the owners got more than their 300 million in losses. give a bit on system and its a done deal. of course i do not expect it to happen. once jordan got involved this will go to .

[DPG21920]

Except your opinion has been disproven repeatedly and you keep saying things like "they are doing this so every team has a viable shot at a le..." and that is so far from the truth when you look at reality under the current system plus what they are doing now.

Again, I've said this numerous times and recently pundits agree, that the tax the owners are proposing HURTS compe iveness and widens the disparity from small to big markets. It has nothing to do with parity and everything to do with greed and a system that controls spending (I.e. costs) to Guarentee they make an absurd profit.

By your logic, the players could flip it on the owners and say: "this is our proposal if you want to continue to use our talents for your gain."

[DPG21920]

In my eyes they are both greedy s with the amount of $ they both pull in. I dgaf who loses 2 million over the next 5 years when they have already made 20m in their lifetime. Choosing either side is re ed. Get a ing deal done, both of them because in the end neither of them is really getting "screwed" out of anything.

That is so wrong I don't know where to begin. Did you not read my post? We aren't talking "losing 2 million" we are talking about the players losing BILLIONS. How on Earth can you call the players greedy when they've conceded billions? Just because they refuse to eat a rape sandwhich so you can be entertained? It's ludicrious.

[yavozerb]

Did the players not counter offer the owners proposal with there own proposal? If the owners had there way there would be an NFL type system in place but the players can make more money and have more freedom outside of that system and therefore are against it..

[DJ Mbenga]

whatever happens i have the porn ready if a deal gets done. if not ill have to store it for next year.

[DPG21920]

The players have tried to negotiate in good faith, the owners have not. The players have made concessions, the owners have not. The players plead to continue negotiating even though they are being pummeled, the owners threaten to make deals worse. The owners have ready massively won on both the system and BRI and they still refuse to budge at all to get a deal done.

[TimmehC]

So, the faction of owners being led by Jordan does know how "good" he is with decisions, right? Kwame Brown, Adam Morrison, etc...

[DesignatedT]

Lol the NBA system is still the best in pro-sports and will be even with what the owners are offering. NFL players have it 10 times worse.

[ElNono]

Did the players not counter offer the owners proposal with there own proposal? If the owners had there way there would be an NFL type system in place but the players can make more money and have more freedom outside of that system and therefore are against it..

Not really. I mean, it would be "an NFL type system" without "an NFL type system" revenue sharing, which is a huge part of why small market teams can be compe ive in the NFL.