Young: sources tell @ExpressNews that Kawhi Leonard wants to be traded from Spurs

[dabom]

Yeah we're agreeing, I'm saying both of them effectively missed out on their first year in the league.

Simmons passes the eye test. Fultz doesnt.

[Fusternino]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3zr_2v-6UM

Need to make a Harrell thread soon, haha.

[99 Problems]

We locked up MVPatty b4 Xzzzijijingx the shoe agent got to him.

[baseline bum]

He will never develop a jump shot. It amuses me when people say "oh he just needs a jump shot" because from history . . . it basically never happens. Kawhi was an exception to this. Fultz actually has a jump shot and the whole package-I truly believe last year was an aberration.

And Tony Parker? He 100% literally did not have a jumpshot coming into the league. As in his outside shot was a set shot.

[Ice009]

Simmons is already playing like an All-Star without a jump shot. He can only get better. Giannis doesn't have much of one either and he's still basically unstoppable. The point is that they aren't trading him for anyone, just like Boston isn't trading Tatum for anyone. Not on a rookie contract.

Players like Giannis don't normally do well in the playoffs. Teams game plan around their weaknesses and are able to neutralize them somewhat throughout the game. He's a very good player, has a lot of great tools that can't be taught, but for him and his team to go anywhere in the playoffs with him as a number 1 option, he needs to learn to shoot.

[SupremeGuy]

What are you actually arguing?

That while Pop's commie ass pretends to care about the plight of African Americans he's holding one hostage on his farm. Need anything else explained for you?

[Chinook]

Did I hurt your feelings with something I said?

No, he's saying that you if don't want to play ball, there's nothing more to say. The Spurs are the ones with Kawhi, and at the end of the day, having him for another year is worth quite a bit. If Philly isn't willing to get to that value threshold, they won't get him, regardless of how low Leonard's "trade value" is. With auctions, not only are there usually opening bids to set a floor on the price, but there's often a secret number the bidding has to reach in order for the object to get sold. A room full of bidders can't conspire to buy a yacht for a dollar. You don't want Philly to make a minimum bid. That's fine. But then they won't get Leonard. Simple as that.

[17505]

Players like Giannis don't normally do well in the playoffs. Teams game plan around their weaknesses and are able to neutralize them somewhat throughout the game. He's a very good player, has a lot of great tools that can't be taught, but for him and his team to go anywhere in the playoffs with him as a number 1 option, he needs to learn to shoot.

Yes he has issues, but he's still clearly a top 10-15 player in this league, and that's probably selling him short. He's also not even in his prime yet. Dude is a beast. I expect the Bucks to be much better this season with Budenholzer as coach, and y'all should know all about that.

[Chinook]

Just a lurker here, and a Laker fan. Didn't even know this board existed until I saw something posted on LG, so I thought I would take a look. Anyway, these are some of my observations in terms of trying to read the tea leaves:

The Kawhi/Spurs relationship seems irreparable, but the Spurs are going to make a last-ditch effort to tak to him if he shows up to the Team USA camp. If nothing materializes there, the efforts to deal him will ramp up.

Assuming the Spurs can't work it out with him, they have to deal him before training camp. It would be a storm if they brought him into that locker room, with the situation as is. I don't think anyone wants to deal with that.

It makes sense that, as it relates to LA, Kawhi's people prefer him to play for the Clippers, as opposed to the Lakers. If you read the tea leaves, it seemed like the Lakers were heavily pursuing him, and then something changed; you saw the Lakers pull back on what they were offering, not even Ingram or Kuzma by themselves were being offered (let alone both), and the Lakers used up their cap space. The reports of Kawhi's people thinking that he would be in LeBron's shadow on the Lakers, I believe, are true, and that could be why the Lakers pulled back, because they may not think he'll re-up. By the way, I find this interesting if Uncle Dennis thinks this, because he apparently doesn't realize just how much the Clippers are in the Lakers' shadow in LA. I mean, the Lakers sucked for 5 years, the Clippers had CP3 and Blake for most of those 5 years, and in these parts, the Clippers barely were a blip on the radar. If this is about visibility and brand for Kawhi's group, he would get a lot more of that as the 1B on the Lakers instead of it being "his team" on the Clippers. But I digress.

It's interesting to think about just what the Spurs are looking to get in a trade. They aren't getting Brown from the Celtics (or Tatum, obviously). They apparently aren't getting Ingram or Kuzma from the Lakers, who have moved on, I believe. The Spurs love SGA, and I do wonder if something like Harris and SGA and perhaps a future pick could work, especially if the Clippers have the intel that he would re-up with them. I don't know how much interest the Spurs would have in acquiring DeRozan from the Raptors, even if they got Anunoby as well, and I don't even know if the Raptors are willing to give that up for a 1-year rental. I could see the Suns offering Dudley, Chriss, and Josh Jackson, especially since the Suns traded for Mikal Bridges on draft night and also signed Ariza this year. It's also worth noting that their GM, McDonough, is under pressure to win this season or he'll get run, and I know that he's trying to make a splash. However, my belief all along has been that the 76ers make the most sense. Brett Brown and the Spurs obviously have that familiarity, Brown could find himself on the hot seat if they lose early in the playoffs, and I think Philly has a good chance to re-sign him. I'm just not sure if the Spurs can get Fultz from the Sixers. I suppose that if the Clippers offered SGA (next month, since he can't be traded at the moment) or if the Suns offered Jackson, perhaps the Sixers would feel compelled to include him, and if they didn't have to give up any picks, maybe they can stomach it. Something like Fultz, Saric, and Covington. Given the situation the Spurs are in with a disgruntled player on an expiring contract who other teams may think has health questions (though I believe Ramona Shelburne's report that he's now 100%), I think they would do well to get last year's #1 pick, a nice rotation player at worst in Saric (though he will need to get paid after the season), and an all-NBA defender in Covington.

I think he'll be a Sixer by the start of training camp. If the Sixers balk at Fultz and if the Clippers are willing to move SGA next month, that would be my second choice in this derby, if I were betting.

Welcome to the boards. And thanks for contributing a thoughtful post. I apologize that I'm not likely to type a similar post about Kawhi at this stage. We've just been over that ground too much here for that. I think SA is easily the most likely team to have him, both in TC and in 2019. No one would argue that this hasn't become farcical, but Pop probably knows Leonard better than most people seem to be allowing. If PATFO is still trying to work this out, it's because they believe they can do so, not because they are trying to force teams to pay more. To that end, we do not know what they'd ultimately want. I think it'll be a specific player or specific players though, rather than just a lot of "value" or picks. I don't know whether that's a vet like DeRozan or a prospect like Fultz. Maybe they're willing to go both ways depending on the trade partner. I do like Phoenix more than the average STer. They have some nice pieces and an MKE pick that could be decent. I could certainly see PHX offering something that beats out everyone else while keeping Booker and Ayton. It's just going to come down to how SA feels about Jackson and Bender.

[cutewizard]

Just a lurker here, and a Laker fan. Didn't even know this board existed until I saw something posted on LG, so I thought I would take a look. Anyway, these are some of my observations in terms of trying to read the tea leaves:

The Kawhi/Spurs relationship seems irreparable, but the Spurs are going to make a last-ditch effort to tak to him if he shows up to the Team USA camp. If nothing materializes there, the efforts to deal him will ramp up.

Assuming the Spurs can't work it out with him, they have to deal him before training camp. It would be a storm if they brought him into that locker room, with the situation as is. I don't think anyone wants to deal with that.

It makes sense that, as it relates to LA, Kawhi's people prefer him to play for the Clippers, as opposed to the Lakers. If you read the tea leaves, it seemed like the Lakers were heavily pursuing him, and then something changed; you saw the Lakers pull back on what they were offering, not even Ingram or Kuzma by themselves were being offered (let alone both), and the Lakers used up their cap space. The reports of Kawhi's people thinking that he would be in LeBron's shadow on the Lakers, I believe, are true, and that could be why the Lakers pulled back, because they may not think he'll re-up. By the way, I find this interesting if Uncle Dennis thinks this, because he apparently doesn't realize just how much the Clippers are in the Lakers' shadow in LA. I mean, the Lakers sucked for 5 years, the Clippers had CP3 and Blake for most of those 5 years, and in these parts, the Clippers barely were a blip on the radar. If this is about visibility and brand for Kawhi's group, he would get a lot more of that as the 1B on the Lakers instead of it being "his team" on the Clippers. But I digress.

It's interesting to think about just what the Spurs are looking to get in a trade. They aren't getting Brown from the Celtics (or Tatum, obviously). They apparently aren't getting Ingram or Kuzma from the Lakers, who have moved on, I believe. The Spurs love SGA, and I do wonder if something like Harris and SGA and perhaps a future pick could work, especially if the Clippers have the intel that he would re-up with them. I don't know how much interest the Spurs would have in acquiring DeRozan from the Raptors, even if they got Anunoby as well, and I don't even know if the Raptors are willing to give that up for a 1-year rental. I could see the Suns offering Dudley, Chriss, and Josh Jackson, especially since the Suns traded for Mikal Bridges on draft night and also signed Ariza this year. It's also worth noting that their GM, McDonough, is under pressure to win this season or he'll get run, and I know that he's trying to make a splash. However, my belief all along has been that the 76ers make the most sense. Brett Brown and the Spurs obviously have that familiarity, Brown could find himself on the hot seat if they lose early in the playoffs, and I think Philly has a good chance to re-sign him. I'm just not sure if the Spurs can get Fultz from the Sixers. I suppose that if the Clippers offered SGA (next month, since he can't be traded at the moment) or if the Suns offered Jackson, perhaps the Sixers would feel compelled to include him, and if they didn't have to give up any picks, maybe they can stomach it. Something like Fultz, Saric, and Covington. Given the situation the Spurs are in with a disgruntled player on an expiring contract who other teams may think has health questions (though I believe Ramona Shelburne's report that he's now 100%), I think they would do well to get last year's #1 pick, a nice rotation player at worst in Saric (though he will need to get paid after the season), and an all-NBA defender in Covington.

I think he'll be a Sixer by the start of training camp. If the Sixers balk at Fultz and if the Clippers are willing to move SGA next month, that would be my second choice in this derby, if I were betting.

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I don't get Fultz being a hold up for either side. Dude is terrible and we have 2 young PG already

Doesn't make any sense to me either unless Spurs view him a replacement for one of those two. Or more probably, they view him as a piece to get something else from someone else.

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I really don’t understand that if it’s at all true that Kawhi would give PHI a chance at re-signing him how they would not bring the house. I mean, I know Kawhi and his agent/family are viewed as toxic and untrustworthy at the moment, but come on PHI.

Carter out there saying LA, and LA only. Teams are getting mixed messages at best if not outright denials about re-signing.

[Mr. Body]

Doesn't make any sense to me either unless Spurs view him a replacement for one of those two. Or more probably, they view him as a piece to get something else from someone else.

My uninformed guess is that they want a Fultz type asset, but will flip him to another team for something else potentially.

[Ice009]

Yes he has issues, but he's still clearly a top 10-15 player in this league, and that's probably selling him short. He's also not even in his prime yet. Dude is a beast. I expect the Bucks to be much better this season with Budenholzer as coach, and y'all should know all about that.

Oh, I think he's a top 10 player, but more towards the bottom end of the top 10. He's not MVP level yet. He may get there and get there soon, but people were talking about him being MVP in the early part of last season and I didn't agree with that at all.

[Birn]

That while Pop's commie ass pretends to care about the plight of African Americans he's holding one hostage on his farm. Need anything else explained for you?

Holding him hostage like a slave? He's under contract for one more season you stupid fvck!


Need anything else explained for you, Mr. Racist?

[Spurs 4 The Win]

Holding him hostage like a slave? He's under contract for one more season you stupid fvck!


Need anything else explained for you, Mr. Racist?

He is trolling, dont feed him. I have been on this forum for well over a decade and posting for like 8 years and that dude is the first guy to make my ignore list. It takes a special feat of re ism to achieve that.

[ElNono]

@wojtek 2 mins ago

@tspence reports @JabariJYoung is contemplating the viability of suicide upon realizing the Spurs won't offer Kawhi the supermax, and he won't be sucking Kawhi's in LA either. He's wondering what went wrong, considering Windhorst did manage the feat sucking Lebron's for over a decade.

[Budkin]

That while Pop's commie ass pretends to care about the plight of African Americans he's holding one hostage on his farm. Need anything else explained for you?

“Commie ass” because he agrees with the majority of the country that Trump is a piece of that has no business being president?

[sammy]

“Commie ass” because he agrees with the majority of the country that Trump is a piece of that has no business being president?

Well said & so true! Pop is only speaking the truth about that treasonous orange bigot who is a disgrace/embarrassment to the Oval Office!

[17505]

Not sure if anyone has talked about this on here, but it's a little curious that Jeff Ayres, who played for the Spurs in '13-14 and '14-15 and who shares the same agent as Kawhi (Mitch Frankel), is currently playing for the Lakers in Summer League. I still don't think Kawhi ends up with the Lakers, but it's a unique angle nonetheless.

[Pavlov]

That while Pop's commie ass pretends to care about the plight of African Americans he's holding one hostage on his farm. Need anything else explained for you?

Just checking. I didn't want to call you a complete idiot without hearing you out first.

You're a complete idiot.

[JPB]

Not sure if anyone has talked about this on here, but it's a little curious that Jeff Ayres, who played for the Spurs in '13-14 and '14-15 and who shares the same agent as Kawhi (Mitch Frankel), is currently playing for the Lakers in Summer League. I still don't think Kawhi ends up with the Lakers, but it's a unique angle nonetheless.

Done deal.

[17505]

Players like Giannis don't normally do well in the playoffs. Teams game plan around their weaknesses and are able to neutralize them somewhat throughout the game. He's a very good player, has a lot of great tools that can't be taught, but for him and his team to go anywhere in the playoffs with him as a number 1 option, he needs to learn to shoot.

Yes he has issues, but he's still clearly a top 10-15 player in this league, and that's probably selling him short. He's also not even in his prime yet. Dude is a beast. I expect the Bucks to be much better this season with Budenholzer as coach, and y'all should know all about that.

[SAGirl]

Wouldn’t be surprised if the Spurs are interested. They liked him coming out of the draft, IIRC.

He’s not good and has a fractured foot.

[JPB]

Actually I have been wondering about that from another angle. Most superstar athletes, including Kawhi, have some special charities they fund. So, even if $100MM isn't particularly meaningful to the individual athlete, I am sure that their foundations and such could benefit if their benefactor had an additional $100MM at his disposal.

Then why just 100M. Why not give 300M and keep 100 or even just 10, which is more than you nedd to live happy in this life if people well being is so important to him. Where is the treshold ?

And those 100M would go somewhere else, others players who could also donate or the spurs could donate them if part of it was only dedicated to SM. It's a global economy, that money wasn't specially created for Kawhi Leonard.

And I've been wondering about that from another angle... Why not create a society where a guy playing kid a game isn't paid 10K more time than a professor or social worker dedicated his life to help kids, and instead of buying the last $150 trendy sneakers, people were rather directly donating to charities to help disavantadged people instead of feeding NBA divas like this MOFO and counting on their good will to donate (and benefit from taxes deductions) ?

Why not crteate a society where everybody living a decent life was everybody else's worry ?

" Imagine all the people..."