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What is a normal dribble move?
It only takes 1 team that see him as a starter for my take to not be re ed.
What is a normal dribble move?
I mean Sochan being a bench player isn’t a bad thing. He was a bench player at Baylor. I don’t know why after having Gino on the bench for most of his career it would be seen as a bad thing. You need a good bench to win championships. Sochan could be a very strong contributor to a championship level team off the bench. He has a high motor, he doesn’t get rattled easily, he flys all about the place and plays decent defense, and is a good rebounder as well. He has flaws, he still can’t really shoot, or post up, and has no midrange, but that’s ok bc he can fit in a good offensive system with movement, good ball handling for a PF, and heady cuts to the basket.
IMO we have a good young piece in Sochan who could develop into something more. But not like this. Give him tasks he can actually complete. He was never going to be a PG in one year. He was never going to be one in 2-3 years. But he could develop a 3 point shot in that time frame. He could learn team defense in that time and be our MLB on the court. Draymond was a bench player too to start. And if that’s what we are hoping he becomes then give him time to become that but also small incremental steps. Ok Sochan, work on reading the other teams offense so you can position yourself better on defense. Ok work on your 3 point shot in the corner so they can’t leave you alone. Alright work on when to cut and what angles to take off on. Just things like this would turn him into such a better player.
Basketball Reference's percentages for players and their different positions has always struck me as kind of arbitrary and often just wrong, but Sochan's #s this year are especially egregious: they list him as a SF 56% of the time and at PF 44%. They have him at zero minutes at PG. It's obviously difficult to nail down to an exact science, as switches happen constantly, but nobody really following the Spurs is going to argue that Sochan has spent zero time at PG this year.
https://www.basketball-reference.com...sochaje01.html
So, you want to take the second best defender out of the SL, when this team has HUGE problems with digging themselves deep holes early in the game. Mmmmkay.
You are comparing 20 year old Sochan with Diaw, who was 23 when he ran point with Phoenix and 30 when he came to the Spurs. Frankly, I could have randomly typed letters and numbers and it would be as insightful as your post.
Running the point and being a guard are two different things. Keldon and Devin would be guards in the SL, right?
It's something upper-eschelon guards do to break down defenses. The Spurs haven't had someone who can do that since Tony Parker left.
Even if cannot break down defenses, minimally must have a decent mid-range shots. No PG can survive long in the league without at least a decent mid-range shot.
Interesting. The top 2 contenders have none of those and are dead last in drives. Why is that?
Last edited by rankingtear; 11-10-2023 at 12:12 PM.
Any simple crossover that any typical guard will do in the middle of a game when they want to try to get around a defender and go to the hoop. We are lacking simple ball handling from the guard/wing positions.
I think most people would say Devin is the SG and Keldon is the SF.
Devin and Keldon have improved their handle for what it's worth.
I mean the defense is historically bad with him. He isn’t a great defender or a game changer that way anyways. But yes I would put him on the bench. Ideally I guess you could bench KJ and keep Sochan as a 4. But offensively I don’t know how that would work with Wemby. It would be better than this show though.
He is a high energy guy which would be perfect off the bench, it's strange that it seems a must to start him and even shoehorning him in to do so
I really think he would shine as the 6th man with his high energy and with his ability to ruffle some of the opponents feathers
The 30 for 30 on how Sochan had a nervous breakdown in the middle of the season cause his senile 70 year old coach thought making him a point guard was a good idea is going to be epic tbh
I like his play a lot. He's improving every game.
Plenty of high energy guys start.
Derek Coleman, Vin Baker
Derrick Coleman might have been a top 10 player all time if he weren’t a drunk. He was that good. Like Vin Baker, alcohol just destroyed his career.
You usually can come up with some statistics that you find somewhere to back up your observations. Is he REALLY the second best defender on the team or SL.??? In just my personal observations on games I have watched, he didn't seem that great.If we don't have some defender that is better than Sochan, perhaps that is the problem with this team. Or maybe his playing out of position is part of the defensive lapses I've seen.
I bet you can come up with the stats tho. You might want to look at the chart below posted by the Great Yacht . I don't know if it will help, but it shows sochan in the lead for something, eh?
I think this board generally overrates the defensive prowess of both Sochan and Vassell. Maybe they are some of the top defenders on the team, but this team is historically bad on defense, so is that really saying much?
I think there are some players on the team that can do well with individual defense, but overall, the whole team sucks at team defense. Though I suppose Jones probably is the best team defender as far as knowing where to go and not be a moron about rotations.
Everytime someone actually targets Jones I feel like he gets smoked
Jones being a better option than Sochan isn't high praise. I don't know if he's even a top 40 "point guard" or principal initiator.
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