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    Yeah, tell that to members of my family who were discriminated against in much the same way blacks were. Tell them it didn't happen. I would LOVE to see that.

    By the government? Or just people in general? You can't make people like other people they don't want to like.

    And in general..people are going to be racists and have a preference for their own race....You will never beat that...you will damn sure never beat it by bonding together with racial bonds.

    You know there is a restaurant here in Austin called Matt's El Rancho...

    I was in a crew of the first white waiters to work for that restaurant in it's 25 years of existence....and belive me...I got a good healthy dose of what it feels like to be discriminated against.

    But still not like the blacks...like when ole Matt Martinez made me write down on an aplication that a guy that came in and applied for a job was black.


    Tell me it doesn't happy Manny...it's not a white or a mexican or a black thing...it's a people thing....it's a mankind thing...races discriminate against other races.

    Don't even get me started on when I worked for some Koreans....



    But the blacks were ing enslaved and not allowed equality...government sanctioned racism...it's not the same thing.

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    http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_ho.../24517116.html
    http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05196/538309.stm
    http://www.sptimes.com/2004/07/11/Wo...s_to_del.shtml
    http://www.freenewmexican.com/news/2391.html

    Took me about 1 minute. But you know, who really comes to mind when I think of a specific instance of a republican trying to pander to a minority?

    George P. Bush.

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    whottt, I think you're doing yourself a disservice by equating liberal with Democrat and conservative with Republican - especially within historical context.
    Great point. I'm conservative on issues like national security, strengthening our borders and the war on terrorism. But liberal on social issues, civil liberties (yes, I truly am), the environment.

    So basically I'm just myself but will still tend to vote democrat.

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    I got an idea... don't join the army if you don't want to fight...

    There are plenty of jobs that will pay you the same money or more.. or go to school.

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    http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_ho.../24517116.html
    http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05196/538309.stm
    http://www.sptimes.com/2004/07/11/Wo...s_to_del.shtml
    http://www.freenewmexican.com/news/2391.html

    Took me about 1 minute. But you know, who really comes to mind when I think of a specific instance of a republican trying to pander to a minority?

    George P. Bush.
    W is pro Mexican...it's not a pandering thing...that's the way he is. Doesn't he have brother in Law that's Mexican? Or maybe it's Cuban.

    The mother er is in trouble with his own party, and Democrats for his stance on the border. What you think is pandering is actually a genuine voter base whose support he seeks...my guess is because Mexicans are mostly catholic and actually have very conservative religious beliefs...on top of that a lot of Mexican immigrants buy heavily into the patriotic aspect of this country.

    After September 11th when I went to SA to take a physical to join the Army...100% of the guys trying out for the Marines in my recruit class were Mexicans.

    No I think there is a legimate political base there among the Mexican American community, and to a lesser extent the hispanic community, that has a similar ideology to the conservative mindset...and that's why W seeks it...I don't see him changing anything on his conservative views to get that vote..His border stance is very liberal...but I think that's got more to do with business and cheap labor than it does with vote pandering. In short I don't think he's just trying to tell people what they want to hear to get votes...I don't see him promising preferential treatment....the true definition of pandering. And you can't even claim Reagan was a race panderer.

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    I highlighted the P on purpose.

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    I still don't get it. P for Pro?


    Edit: The thing is...pandering works...if W were doing it, he'd be a of a lote more popular than he is....He's an asshole...not a panderer.

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    I got an idea... don't join the army if you don't want to fight...

    There are plenty of jobs that will pay you the same money or more.. or go to school.
    I saw a bumper sticker the other day that said...
    "My son is serving in Iraq so yours can be in college."

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    3.Those who act like it's a virtue to render themselves irrelevant, and enjoy their view from the peanut gallery(IE the sidelines)

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    That is the name of his hispanic nephew that campaigns with him all the damn time. The Bush's love to recyle names. It's one big family of George and Barbaras.

    And the main group behind Bush's border plans and forgien worker program is the lobby that stands to benefit from the continued use of cheap labor. He plays it up to be a liberal way to appease hispanic voters, but thats not the driving force behind it.

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    didn't bush get like almost 50 percent of hispanic vote this last election.. I think his numbers with hispanics was pretty high.... someone can look it up.. I would be interested in knowing... plus being a hispanic male... I voted for W....

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    I still don't get it. P for Pro?


    Edit: The thing is...pandering works...if W were doing it, he'd be a of a lote more popular than he is....He's an asshole...not a panderer.
    He got a lot more of the Hispanic vote (nearly half) and saw an increase in black votes as well. So pandering does indeed work.

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    didn't bush get like almost 50 percent of hispanic vote this last election.. I think his numbers with hispanics was pretty high.... someone can look it up.. I would be interested in knowing... plus being a hispanic male... I voted for W....
    Yes, he got nearly half, 44%

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    This hispanic male voted for Kerry.

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    That doesn't mean he was pandering...Pandering is promising preferential treatment. I never saw him do it.

    And I don't think he ever tried to pass off his border stance as liberal...he pretty much says it's for cheap labor. And that's probably a popular POV with big business here in Texas.

    I just think the Democratic Party got too liberal for some minorities...

    He damn sure wasn't pandering to the gay vote now was he?

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    Joe sometimes reminds me of those "bots" that you can talk to on the internet but inevitably end up repeating things over and over. In Joe's case, that he voted for Kerry and has conservative feelings as well as liberal feelings which is why he considers himself a Democrat with the ocassional Semper Fi! thrown in for good measure.

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    No, everyone hates the gays.

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    Day 6:

    Bush gets first look at anti-war protest near ranch
    By Patricia Wilson
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    Friday, August 12, 2005; 1:16 PM


    CRAWFORD, Texas (Reuters) - President Bush got his first look at an anti-war vigil near his ranch on Friday as his motorcade took him by the protest site lined with small white crosses representing fallen American soldiers in Iraq.

    When Bush's black sport utility vehicle carried him past the site to a Republican fund-raiser, the protest leader, Cindy Sheehan, whose son was one of the nearly 1,850 U.S. soldiers killed in Iraq, held up a sign that said: "Why do you make time for donors and not for me?"

    Other signs said: "Iraq is Arabic for Vietnam" and "Bring Them Home Now." Some protesters held up white crosses as well.
    Well, it only took 6 days and a Republican fundraiser to get W to even drive by Cindy Sheehan, now if they can only get him to stop.

    The protest vigil began last Saturday and is being led by Sheehan, who has been demanding a meeting with Bush to discuss her opposition to the Iraq war.

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    Joe sometimes reminds me of those "bots" that you can talk to on the internet but inevitably end up repeating things over and over. In Joe's case, that he voted for Kerry and has conservative feelings as well as liberal feelings which is why he considers himself a Democrat with the ocassional Semper Fi! thrown in for good measure.
    Yeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh!!

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    Another "Semper Fi!"

    And I'm not doing this to protest the war but as a reminder of the sacrifice of those who proudly serve.


    Alexander Montgomery, 1-year-old son of Lance Cpl. Brian Montgomery, looks toward Marine pallbearers standing next to his father’s casket. Montgomery was killed in Iraq last week.

    Be proud little man.

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    FAMILY OF FALLEN SOLDIER PLEADS: PLEASE STOP, CINDY!
    Thu Aug 11 2005 12:56:21 ET

    The family of American soldier Casey Sheehan, who was killed in Iraq on April 4, 2004, has broken its silence and spoken out against his mother Cindy Sheehan's anti-war vigil against George Bush held outside the president's Crawford, Texas ranch.

    The following email was received by the DRUDGE REPORT from Casey's aunt and godmother:

    Our family has been so distressed by the recent activities of Cindy we are breaking our silence and we have collectively written a statement for release. Feel free to distribute it as you wish.

    Thanks, Cherie

    In response to questions regarding the Cindy Sheehan/Crawford Texas issue: Sheehan Family Statement:

    The Sheehan Family lost our beloved Casey in the Iraq War and we have been silently, respectfully grieving. We do not agree with the political motivations and publicity tactics of Cindy Sheehan. She now appears to be promoting her own personal agenda and notoriety at the the expense of her son's good name and reputation. The rest of the Sheehan Family supports the troops, our country, and our President, silently, with prayer and respect.

    Sincerely,

    Casey Sheehan's grandparents, aunts, uncles and numerous cousins.
    Last summer Cindy Sheehan got a face-to-face meeting with President Bush, complete with kisses and condolences.

    Today the Vacaville resident is camped outside the president's Texas ranch -- in the glare of the national media spotlight -- demanding another face-to-face meeting, and ultimately his impeachment.

    Sheehan's son Casey, an Army specialist, was killed in Sadr City, Iraq, in April 2004. Eleven weeks later, the Sheehan family traveled to Seattle for a 10-minute conversation with the president, who met with 16 other families who had lost love ones in Iraq.

    In the ensuing months, Cindy Sheehan has become a focal point in the ongoing partisan battle over the Iraq war, drawing the praise of many anti-war Democrats and the ire of Republicans who back Bush's decision.

    Sheehan's role in that battle exploded Monday morning, when Matt Drudge - the infamous commentator behind the popular Drudge Report, a right-leaning online news site - accused Sheehan of changing her tune to serve political purposes.

    Drudge's story, headlined "Protesting Soldier Mom Changed Story on Bush' and posted in the highest slot on the Web site that receives more than 5 million visits per day, pulled quotes from a Sheehan interview published June 24, 2004, in The Reporter.

    That story, by staff writer David Henson, was an account of Sheehan's visit with the president in Seattle.

    In Henson's story, Sheehan spoke of how she and husband, Patrick, debated before the meeting whether to ask pointed questions about the war and whether to vent frustration over their son's sacrifice. Ultimately, the Sheehans decided not to criticize Bush in the meeting.

    Afterward, Cindy Sheehan told Henson of a new-found respect toward Bush.

    "I now know he's sincere about wanting freedom for the Iraqis,' she said in the story. "I know he's sorry and feels some pain for our loss. And I know he's a man of faith.'

    Sheehan also said the trip to Seattle helped connect her family

    to others that had lost a son or daughter in Iraq. Sheehan said sharing their story with those families was rewarding, as was the time she got to spend with her own family.

    "That was the gift the president gave us, the gift of happiness, of being together,' she said in the story.


    Drudge included that quote in his Monday morning report, but didn't explain that it referred to sharing time with her familiy, not the president.

    Drudge also included most recent quotes from Sheehan highly critical of Bush and the 2004 meeting, including a statement the mother made Sunday to CNN.

    "Every time we tried to talk about Casey and how much we missed him, he would change the subject,' Sheehan told correspondent Wolf Blitzer of the cable news network. "And he acted like it was a party.'

    Drudge's report fueled opinions on both sides of the political spectrum Monday.

    Posters on highly visited liberal Web log Daily Kos said Drudge's report was misleading, while right-wing bloggers, including the popular Mic e Malkin, echoed Drudge's sentiments that Sheehan was contradicting herself, perhaps for political reasons.

    The Reporter decided to post Henson's 2004 story on www.thereporter.com today.

    "It's important that readers see the full context of the story, instead of just selected portions,' said Editor Diane Barney. "We stand by the story as an accurate reflection of the Sheehan's take on the meeting at the time it was published.'

    The Sheehan family could not be reached for comment.
    I'm sorry her son was killed, but I don't really care about what she has to say about the President or the war. She's become nothing but a politicol tool, standing in front of the cameras to bash Bush and the White House and to get herself some face time on national TV. I care more about the thousands of mothers who don't stage stunts to get themselves on CNN, but support their children and the war they're fighting.

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    She has every right to do so and as mother who lost a son I don't blame her.

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    She has every right to do so and as mother who lost a son I don't blame her.
    What about the thousand's of other moms from all the previous wars, legitimate or not? Imagine the nonsense if every mother of a KIA did this.

    I pity her.

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    Because she lost her son, or because she dares speak out against your beloved leader? I can probably already guess your answer though.

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    Clear Channel stations are hosting a Pro-Bush/anti-Cindy Sheehan rally in Crawford and are inviting troops from Ft. Hood to come speak out against Cindy.



    Is this outrageous or what?
    No more so than the political grandstanding the anti-Bush faction has stooped to by encouraging protests from the relatives of those killed serving our Country. The pinnacle of exploitation!

    When Cindy speaks out it's great but when the troops that are putting their lives on the line for our Country wish to speak out it's Outrageous? That mentality is BIZARRE!! WARPED!!

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