Where would you guys rank Duncan on an All Time list?

[tonyisamazing]

best power forward ever and top 5 player

[vednam]

Kareem had not much success after winning the first le.
He did not advanced to the playoffs 75 Mil, 76 LA

He was not emotional leader - LA needed a guy like magic who always was in the playoffs and even when Jabbar left the team they were one step of winning the le in 1991 and they were le contenders.

So there is a point I guess.

Do you know who Kareem was playing with in Milwaukee and LA during those years? He had a VERY poor supporting cast. That's why his teams didn't regularly go deep in the playoffs during the 70s. Every great player needs a good supporting cast to advance. The Bulls regularly were stomped out in the first round (and had sub-.500 records) before they got Michael Jordan some help.

Please know your facts before posting.

[vednam]

I put empahasis on winning and domination.

Top 10 (no order within tiers):

First tier:

Russell and Jordan.
They are clearly above everyone else.

Second tier:

Kareem, Wilt, Bird, and Magic.

Third tier:

Duncan, Shaq, and Oscar. Four championships each for the big guys. Two great players.

Oscar played on horrible teams until the end when he paired up with Kareem in Milwaukee. (I would place Oscar behind Shaq and Duncan based on winning.)

Fourth tier:

Havlicek. The only guy I can think of who was not the main man, but who took up that mantle after the stud retired and led his team to further les. (Pippen didn't do it and neither has Kobe.)

If you didn't see him play you can't understand. Not only did he have stats but his main value was in purely wearing his opposite number down. He sprinted every minute of every game leaving his man worn out in the 4th quarter. He had an unusual heart (literally, not metaphorically) that allowed him to run endlessly.

He was at the top of his game for an incredibly long time.

Your rankings don't make sense. Kareem won and dominated as much as Jordan, so by your standards he should be in the first tier. Duncan has more les than Bird. So how is Bird a tier above him?


On top of all this, your methodology is flawed. Looking purely at winning doesn't show much. Wilt Chamberlain could do everything Bill Russell could and then some. The only areas in which Russell was superior to Chamberlain was having a better coach, front office, and supporting cast.

[TheMadHatter]

Without Kareem there is no Showtime Lakers.

Man some of you are downright re ed. I realize the Spurs weren't until 1999, but the NBA has been around a of a lot longer than that.