Mavs make offer for Artest

[angelbelow]

Howard will kick you in the nads, terry will punch you in the nads, stack will pull a gun on you, and kidd will beat your wife. I see no softness here

alrite you ing maverick ive had josh howard on my fantasy team for the past two years and i drafted him HIGH. because of this ive watched over 100 maverick games in the past two years. josh howard is soft and he disappears hardcore in 4th. im usually fine with that cause i dont give a about the mavericks and josh gets all his stats in the first half. josh is even worst in the playoffs, and i dont go off starts, i go off impact because i actually watch these games.

if you guys dont get artest then i really dont give a , cause im used to the maverick team that are incompetent.

[confined]

alrite you ing maverick ive had josh howard on my fantasy team for the past two years and i drafted him HIGH. because of this ive watched over 100 maverick games in the past two years. josh howard is soft and he disappears hardcore in 4th. im usually fine with that cause i dont give a about the mavericks and josh gets all his stats in the first half. josh is even worst in the playoffs, and i dont go off starts, i go off impact because i actually watch these games.

if you guys dont get artest then i really dont give a , cause im used to the maverick team that are incompetent.

Calm the down you Nazi asshole i was joking, and that fact that you don't go off stats in a fantasy league just shows how stupid you really

[~~Ice Man 2000~~]

As long as they have that bum Jason Kidd it won't matter.

[monosylab1k]

The more I think about it, the more I don't like the idea of a Howard for Artest swap. Artest has 1 year left on his deal, while Howard is locked up for several more. It's risky to let Artest walk in a year when you're still way over the cap and you lose an asset for nothing. It's also risky to sign him to a long-term deal. I'd prefer to move Josh, but I don't want a repeat of Kidd for Harris, when we let a good young PG with several years left on his deal go to Jersey in exchange for a 35 year old whose deal is about to expire, and we don't even get cap relief for him coming off the books.

Please don't tell me you're boarding the Donnie & Mark Spin Train.

If this team flames out again next year, a complete dismantling of the roster is in order (some would argue that it's a year overdue as it is). So losing Artest & Kidd's contracts would be more beneficial if we want to gear up for a shot at a 2010 signing.

One thing of note - Artest is only like 6 months older than Howard. So it's not like we're trading away an up-and-comer for an old man.

[JamStone]

The more I think about it, the more I don't like the idea of a Howard for Artest swap. Artest has 1 year left on his deal, while Howard is locked up for several more. It's risky to let Artest walk in a year when you're still way over the cap and you lose an asset for nothing. It's also risky to sign him to a long-term deal. I'd prefer to move Josh, but I don't want a repeat of Kidd for Harris, when we let a good young PG with several years left on his deal go to Jersey in exchange for a 35 year old whose deal is about to expire, and we don't even get cap relief for him coming off the books.

I think this is the main reason why the Mavs won't make Josh-Artest straight up trade. If Artest was signed for the next three seasons, I think it would be easier for the Mavs to trade Howard. But, after next season, they might be left with no Josh and no Artest.

Artest is definitely an upgrade but I agree that making the trade wouldn't be the type of trade that would ensure anything come playoff time against the rest of the elite WC teams.

And, while the Mavs could definitely use some consistent low post offense, every team can use that. I don't think the lack of a post presence on offense is the reason they lost in the first round the past two seasons. They had more problems defensively trying to play at an even faster, break-neck tempo and had problems matching up and defending point guards like Baron Davis and Chris Paul. I don't think having a post presence necessarily changes the outcomes of those series. Plus, even without a legit low post presence, they got to the NBA Finals in two years ago and got past a great Spurs team. I do think their perimeter defense needs to be addressed just as much as their frontcourt issues.

[ShoogarBear]

Please don't tell me you're boarding the Donnie & Mark Spin Train.

If this team flames out again next year, a complete dismantling of the roster is in order (some would argue that it's a year overdue as it is). So losing Artest & Kidd's contracts would be more beneficial if we want to gear up for a shot at a 2010 signing.

One thing of note - Artest is only like 6 months older than Howard. So it's not like we're trading away an up-and-comer for an old man.

I kinda agree with this. The Mavs' window, like the Suns, and maybe even the Spurs, is the next 1-2 years (because of Kidd). If things don't happen next year, then it will be time to plan for life after Kidd, and having Artest's cap space will be a good thing.

[angelbelow]

Calm the down you Nazi asshole i was joking, and that fact that you don't go off stats in a fantasy league just shows how stupid you really

lol my main point was that i DO watch the games and i see how josh plays.

[stretch]

alrite you ing maverick ive had josh howard on my fantasy team for the past two years and i drafted him HIGH. because of this ive watched over 100 maverick games in the past two years. josh howard is soft and he disappears hardcore in 4th. im usually fine with that cause i dont give a about the mavericks and josh gets all his stats in the first half. josh is even worst in the playoffs, and i dont go off starts, i go off impact because i actually watch these games.

if you guys dont get artest then i really dont give a , cause im used to the maverick team that are incompetent.

@ this guy getting butthurt over... well... nothing.

[Findog]

Please don't tell me you're boarding the Donnie & Mark Spin Train.

If this team flames out again next year, a complete dismantling of the roster is in order (some would argue that it's a year overdue as it is). So losing Artest & Kidd's contracts would be more beneficial if we want to gear up for a shot at a 2010 signing.

One thing of note - Artest is only like 6 months older than Howard. So it's not like we're trading away an up-and-comer for an old man.

I want Howard gone, but not for Artest. Regardless of how he flamed out last year, he's still an asset, and he still has trade value. Last time I checked our salary/cap thing on realgm, we're WAY WAY WAY over the cap, and Kidd and Artest expiring next summer still wouldn't get us under the cap. I want more back for Howard than a 1 year rental of Artest. As it stands right now, we traded away Devin for a year and a half of Kidd.

[Findog]

They had more problems defensively trying to play at an even faster, break-neck tempo and had problems matching up and defending point guards like Baron Davis and Chris Paul. I don't think having a post presence necessarily changes the outcomes of those series. Plus, even without a legit low post presence, they got to the NBA Finals in two years ago and got past a great Spurs team. I do think their perimeter defense needs to be addressed just as much as their frontcourt issues.

Yep, we've been raped in the playoffs by Tracy McGrady, Steve Nash, Dwyane Wade, Baron Davis and Chris Paul. Perimeter defense has been more of an achilles heel than lack of a low-post scorer or Dirk not being "clutch." Josh when he wants to be can be a very good defender, but you stick him on a guard and there are crossmatches the other team can exploit. Mavs really need to find a Battier, Bowen-type more than anything else.

[MavDynasty]

If we don't do SOMETHING this offseason to address our needs at the SG position or get Dirk a decent running mate, I'm gonna be mad as . By the sounds of Donnie Nelson he's taking a lazy at ude with respect to this offseason, "Oh, we like our team!", damn. Anyone who utters those words after witnessing the pathetic effort in the playoffs should be dipped in a vat of Tobasco sauce.

I'd like to believe the constant defensive breakdowns and mental errors were all Avery's fault. I'd like to believe Kidd's horrible defence on Paul and his not meeting expectations were all Avery's fault. I'd also love to believe that Josh Howard's playoff stutter was all Avery's fault, that every brick and birthday invitation and dope confession, it was all Avery's fault! But it isn't, this team has serious problems that draw much deeper than the coaching position and the backup centre position. We didn't lose the past few years because we had no heart or soul, we lost because we weren't good enough. Howard just isn't a suitable second banana to Dirk, and never will be.

This move needs to be made now, not at the deadline. Do we really want to see the coaching staff scramble to integrate yet another star into our system with half the season over with? I sure as don't. Trade Howard+Bass+Stack for Artest+Thomas+Garcia, get ready to take any crap that comes your way, and win the damn championship!

[mavs>spurs2]

I disagree about giving up Bass, he was our only toughness last season. No way they get Bass and Howard for a lunatic with one year left on his contract.

[MavDynasty]

If we dont do this season then it,blow up this team,fire donnie, and most importantly...trade Dirk so he can go to a good team to win a ring while this hole known as the Dallas Mavericks become the NBA's worst.

[mavs>spurs2]

We need more than one player with some balls on this team if we're going to win, aka Bass AND Artest. Taking on Kenny Thomas' contract should be enough incentive to not have to give up Bass.