Am I the only sane person left?

[whottt]

Why is big government good in this one isolated case?

Because it keeps people with fancy trinkets from coming and taking all your land...and giving you smallpox, and shooting you, like that. I mean it does that job better than anything else.

To save American lives?

To save America.

Like the police, fire department,

These are examples of small local governments...they have their plusses and negatives and please stop your inane attempt to use these as some kind of example of a National Socialist Government...you look stupid when you do that.

and health care?

I'd say our current health care up arose from just a small dose of government intervention....you aint seen nothin yet buddy.

I personally say we should abolish all health insurance, which is a form of socialism...that'll be the start of fixing the problem.

[baseline bum]

I thought all government was corrupt, whottt. You've already thrown your pull yourself up by the bootstraps principles out the door when you say government is needed to protect your land. You're willing to put the government in charge of the most important job a nation can give anyone, because it's the best option? Kind of like how its the best option to have government watchdogs making sure investors aren't cheating Americans out of their hard-earned money? Making sure we're not producing food that kills like they do in China? etc.

I find it amazing that you only want government to be a parasite that takes without doing anything for its people.

[whottt]

I thought all government was corrupt, whottt.

It is...the bigger it is the more corrupt it gets. The more responsibility it has the more corrupt it gets. The more people it attempts to represent at one time, the more it fails.

You've already thrown your pull yourself up by the bootstraps principles out the door when you say government is needed to protect your land.

I said the government is needed to protect the country from external threats.

You're willing to put the government in charge of the most important job a nation can give anyone, because it's the best option?

That, and there's no other en y that can do it...

Kind of like how its the best option to have government watchdogs making sure investors aren't cheating Americans out of their hard-earned money?

But it's not the best option...in fact it's then politicized, which guarantees someone is going to get ed.

Making sure we're not producing food that kills like they do in China? etc.

Are you on ing crack? You just used China to bolster your argument in favor of pervasive government?

What the is wrong with you?

I find it amazing that you only want government to be a parasite that takes without doing anything for its people.

It's not what I want government to be...it's what they inevitably are or become...and you are part of that problem my friend.


You have some idealistic view that completely ignores the world we live in, and just about every available example of big governments and the impact they have.


I am not against all socialistic ideas...I'm just against attempting to implement them at the National Level...and I'm against imposing them.

Governments don't take care of people...People take care of people.

[boutons_]

"when in truth he is only half black."

How many A-A are 100% black?

[CuckingFunt]

I thought this was a country where we didn't create icons out of people until after they had done something, and usually after they were long gone.

Considering this is the same country that made Paris Hilton a celebrity, I don't know how you could possibly be under that impression.

[baseline bum]

You have some idealistic view that completely ignores the world we live in, and just about every available example of big governments and the impact they have.

You have some idealistic views on capitalism. Your argument boils down to we should have no police because some are corrupt.

[whottt]

You have some idealistic views on capitalism. Your argument boils down to we should have no police because some are corrupt.

I never said it...

#1. You are lumping local government and National Government together.

#2.IF anything police fall under the primary purpose of a government of protecting the people from external threats(external at a different level)...

Even with that example though...I can show you numerous examples of mass corruption and abuse of power even at the local level.....certainly there is enough evidence there to give you a reason to pause at entrusting the government with even more responsiblity, especially at the National level.

I can't believe I am having to explain to this to someone who lived in SA...with their police force. Must have been before your time..........

This debate isn't just about government...it's about National Government, and in case you haven't noticed, we are pretty diverse country and so it's unlikely that anything implemented at the National level is going to be the magic fix all at smaller levels. What works for New York doesn't work for Kansas...that's why it's best to leave New York up to New York and Kansas up to Kansas as much as possible.

[whottt]

You have some idealistic views on capitalism. Your argument boils down to we should have no police because some are corrupt.

I'm not really that capitalist by the way...but I definitely see the benfits of separating business from the government.


Edit: And I'm not really against wealth distribution...I'm against imposing it, and I'm definitely against the National Government being in charge of it...that's just more hands in the cookie jar. You're a fool if you think tehy are going to be honest because of their stated party affiliation and political inclinations.

There are other ways to encourage wealth distribution...straight from the havs to the have nots...and the government isn't needed to do it at all really.

Difference between us? I'm not stupid enough to think only one party or leaning has corrupt people in it..

You OTOH, all someone has to do is say they're a socialist or a Democrat and you're sold...


There are going to be corrupt people in Obama's admin...they are going to be caught, they are going to be exposed, just like with the Republicans. So exactly how much you want them to have?

And once you've given them all that power...then what happens when those corrupt Republicans regain control of the country?