Statement One (Gays want equal rights)
Statement Two (Gays want extra rights)
Personal choice? Or were you born that way?
source? or is this your opinion again?
and if she is no longer aroused by women you are going to tell her "oh yes you are"To use your Anne Heche example, she would have to have already had the capacity to love and be attracted to women in order to hook up with Ellen Degeneres. Does she act on it every day? Is she attracted to every woman walking down the street? Probably not. But that willingness/ability to act on it, even once, was already a part of her.
They were examples of things our government officials discriminate against from time to time. Some in fact think that dinosaurs didn't exist or possibly walked the earth as little as a couple of thousand years ago.
My point was that there is prejudice with lots of things scientifically backed.
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Sanc y of marriage is a charade.
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Still waiting on Blake's scientific sources.
When did I ever say I don't support them? I'm all for equal rights for gays. I support gay marriage as well. Don't assume you know everything. I don't run the government. Did you hear that?
This is from the World Health Organization.
Read closely, idiot(s):
Genetics and Sexual Orientation
There has been interest among researchers in determining a biological basis for complex behavioural traits, including sexual orientation. One area of study has been how developmental processes may affect psychosexual orientation in adolescence and adulthood. For example, testosterone exerts an influence on the development of the central nervous system. It is thought that this brain imprinting may in turn affect psychosexual orientation. Another area of study has been the search for a ‘gay gene’. However, studies in this area have been inconclusive and debate continues. (60) The search for a genetic basis for sexual orientation is controversial for many reasons, one being that it is unclear whether a genetic basis will serve to enhance or diminish the stigmatization of sexuality that occurs in some societies. (61)
http://www.who.int/genomics/gender/en/index2.html
I was born that way.Personal choice? Or were you born that way?
Yeah, and porn stars sometimes go down on other girls just to fulfill contractual obligations, but I'm specifically talking about attraction. Considering sexual behaviors that aren't grounded in attraction/desire makes this subject almost too complicated to discuss.
I, personally, don't think it's possible to fake or force attraction.
When the "Girls Gone Wild" camera is on.
i didnt read the thread... i agree with you.
although beer does do all kinds of .
right.
Just like how Galileo got tried for heresy for saying the sun and not the earth was the center of our system.
As soon as science confirmed it, government had no choice but to go along.
My point is that prejudice is quickly squashed if it can proven in a court of law as detrimental.
Peewee's wife has been doing that for almost a decade.
There was a break, so you can count those years.
It's actually less than 5.
Maybe she's gay.
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Of course not. As I've already mentioned several times in this thread, I think that people are fully capable of making a conscious choice when it comes to sexual activity or expression. If Anne Heche walked up to me and said she was no longer interested in or aroused by women, I would take her word for it and honor her decision. However, I would see it as a choice of expression, not of attraction.
Calm down. I didn't say that you don't support them. I wanted your statement to compare a bible thumper like yourself to scientific study to how/why/when a government would chose to support something.
I see. But I only thump my own bible. I never push my beliefs on anyone. Carry on.
Squashed as quickly as black segregation? That didn't take long to get straightened out.
As a matter of fact things were turned around so quickly that all the blacks got together and promptly dismissed any reparation talks due to the swift and just actions of the government. You know when we scientifically proved that black people are just like the white people.
Come to think of it asbestos laws didn't take long either. Surly that didn't drag on for financial reasons over the course of a few decades.
Do you really have this much faith that your government acts independently of themselves and always holds up the law where it is just and righteous?
Is that ambivalent article all you got or can you at least find a scientific study supporting that statement. You simply cited an opinion not a case study or scientific data that would suggest otherwise. What I'm asking you to do is try and substantially back up your opinion with case study.
If that is in fact true and I'm not questioning it then surly you see where most thumpers have a tendency to push their belief on others.....more importantly the government and their process of decision making.
Let me just say that I introduced "science" into this discussion asking for someone to prove that being gay was something you were born into exactly the way black people are born black.
Now, from what I've read, science is (at best) inconclusive concerning any kind of genetic predisposition to sexuality. But for those asking when the straight guy decides he's straight...you have to take into consideration the physical makeup of men and women, and the natural function of each's reproductive organs. Men and women are physically designed to reproduce (sexually) with a member of the opposite sex. So, for a man to be attracted to a women, no decision is necessary. That decision was made when nature gave him a male reprodutive system.
That's the reason the search is on for a "gay gene" and not a "straight gene." For a person to not follow the natural function of his or her sexual organ requires something to be different. And it is not going to be a physical difference. Physically, I am exactly like any other guy (gay or straight). Something is different in meta-physically , and science most likely will not be able to identify that difference.
Show me where science proves one specific gene, and one gene only, corresponds to one specific complex human behavior. Any one gene for any one behavior.
I forgot how good you were at science.
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