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[TDfan2007]

Kaster and Whott: take your petty little argument out of this thread so it will die. Or you guys could always .

[whottt]

Post something that comes from something other than your ass or STFU...because I've aleady heard your opinion polls and lame ass playoff points that I destroyed...

I am not using my opinion...I sat there and showed you where Shaq was owned by ing Drob...in the W-L column and statistically...

I sat there and listed factually provable individual excellence that Shaq never matched...

And scored board says it all...Drob has a winning record against him.

Now STFU about the stupid playoff thing or explain why ing Shaq didn't win a le every year of his career...

Don't even try to say LA Shaq and pre Duncan Drob had equal caliber teamates....you make a fool of yourself when you make that claim, and you piss on your franchises own SuperStar when you do that.....


Dennis Rodman did nothing offensively to aid Drob and neither did AJ...they compounded the problem and made it easy to double team David Robinson and Del Negro was a choker...

The only offensive help Drob had was Elliott and he ing choked at the FT line in the first game and lost it for us...while Horry hit the game ing winner...the same Horry that hit game winners so Shaq could get 3 ing rings...

Just post a fact or STFU.

[bigbendbruisebrother]

Are you two still at it? Get a room.

[Experiment2100]

Bump again.

[Kaster]

Post something that comes from something other than your ass or STFU...because I've aleady heard your opinion polls and lame ass playoff points that I destroyed...

I am not using my opinion...I sat there and showed you where Shaq was owned by ing Drob...in the W-L column and statistically...

No, you didn't. You ignored age, limited sample sizes, similar supporting casts, etc. You continue to do it. Just admit you got owned and let this thread die, or come up with new points. I figure you'll do neither.

I sat there and listed factually provable individual excellence that Shaq never matched...

All of it Shaq did, save for DPOY. Unless you truly believe a 70 game makes Drob > Shaq.

And scored board says it all...Drob has a winning record against him.

Scoreboard doesn't say , after all, team success shouldn't matter right? Boy you're thick-headed.

Now STFU about the stupid playoff thing or explain why ing Shaq didn't win a le every year of his career...

You don't have to win every year to be considered better than another player. No one in history has, what a dumbass statement.

Don't even try to say LA Shaq and pre Duncan Drob had equal caliber teamates....you make a fool of yourself when you make that claim, and you piss on your franchises own SuperStar when you do that.....

I never said that, reread my previous posts. If you're still confused, take reading comp classes at the local Junior College.

Dennis Rodman did nothing offensively to aid Drob and neither did AJ...they compounded the problem and made it easy to double team David Robinson and Del Negro was a choker...

And what was Nick Anderson, Mr. Clutch? Penny was hardly a closer either. Scott hit threes, though of course Shaq was able to able to draw far more attention for him to be able to do that, Drob never could.

The only offensive help Drob had was Elliott and he ing choked at the FT line in the first game and lost it for us...while Horry hit the game ing winner...the same Horry that hit game winners so Shaq could get 3 ing rings...

LOL, Shaq led the Lakers to two consecutive les, something Drob never did, before Horry hit that shot against the Kings in 02. You beat yourself with your own argument, congrats.

Just post a fact or STFU.

Shaq > Drob. Now admit defeat and move on with your pathetic life.

[whottt]

No, you didn't. You ignored age, limited sample sizes, similar supporting casts, etc. You continue to do it. Just admit you got owned and let this thread die, or come up with new points. I figure you'll do neither.

With similar supporting casts Shaq got swept...

Here's the deal idiot...you are the one trying to base everything on playoffs, because that's all you got...I can't help that the weakness of that argument can be used against you.

All of it Shaq did, save for DPOY. Unless you truly believe a 70 game makes Drob > Shaq.

Shaq never had a quad double, Shaq never lead his team in assists, Shaq never averaged 4.5 blocks per game, Shaq never averaged 4.8 assists per games, 2.36 steals per game....

Shaq never lead an entire post season in blocks and rebounding per game, Shaq never finished in the top 5 in rebounding blocks and steals all in the same season, Shaq never finished in the top 10 in 6 different statistical categories, Shaq never lead the NBA in blocks, rebounding and scoring...

Shaq didn't win a scoring le and a DPOY...

Shaq didn't win 5 IMB unbiased awards labeling him as the player that does the most to help his team win...

Shq wasn't the first player in NBA history to make ALL NBA and All Defense his first 6 years in the NBA...Shaq wasn't responsible for the biggest single season turnaround in NBA history as a rookie...

Shaq never scored 50 points against a 2 time defensive player of the year Center...

Shaq never put a triple double on Drob...


What did Shaq do?

Won an assload of FG% les while simultaneously being one of the worst FT% shooters in NBA history...

Got a buttload of popularity awards, a ton of media coverage, his ass kicked in the finals, swept every year of his career until he jumped ship to a better organization....

Finally won some les when he got a coach with 6 rings, one of the most clutch roleplayers in NBA history, and a guard people like to compare to Jordan...


That's your whole ing argument...


That year we played the Rockets our coach was a rookie...

You don't have to win every year to be considered better than another player. No one in history has, what a dumbass statement.

No, you're ing stupid because you don't think teamates matter...you think it's an accomplisment playign a team in a later round and getting beat worse...

You are a ing idiot with the logic of a drunk junebug.

And what was Nick Anderson, Mr. Clutch? Penny was hardly a closer either. Scott hit threes, though of course Shaq was able to able to draw far more attention for him to be able to do that, Drob never could.

How come he stopped being able to draw that attention in the finals?

I guess Kobe must really suck then because he's never shot at the PCT Scott and Anderson shot that year...

Penny was ALL NBA 1st team that year...Horace Grant was all NBA Defense 4 times and had played on 3 championship teams.

Drob never had a player that was 1st team ALL NBA alongside him in his entire career until Duncan...and he won 2 ing les when he got it...

LOL, Shaq led the Lakers to two consecutive les, something Drob never did, before Horry hit that shot against the Kings in 02. You beat yourself with your own argument, congrats.

How come Shaq didn't do it every year?

C'mon dumb all it takes is Shaq to win a le right?

Either explain why he didn't do it every year or else STFU.

Otherwise Horry>Shaq

Shaq > Drob. Now admit defeat and move on with your pathetic life.

Still waiting for you to post something relevant that doesn't make you sound like a Ms.America wannabe basing your whole life on what others think...

[Kaster]

With similar supporting casts Shaq got swept...

No actually, he beat Jordan and got to the Finals. Drob never did.

Here's the deal idiot...you are the one trying to base everything on playoffs, because that's all you got...I can't help that the weakness of that argument can be used against you.

Haha, hardly. Shaq has done more in his career than Drob ever did. He was the better player for much longer, six years in fact. Statistically and in terms of impact on the court, which is why Shaq-led teams are always so good, and Drob-led teams are not.

Shaq never had a quad double,

Who gives a flying . Neither did the GOAT, Michael Jordan. Get over it.

Shaq never lead his team in assists,

Again, who gives a . The GOAT never led his team in assists when he was winning six les in the 90’s.

Shaq never averaged 4.5 blocks per game, Shaq never averaged 4.8 assists per games, 2.36 steals per game....

Who the cares, Drob did that all in one season. In his absolute prime, sure, he was comparable to Shaq. Throughout his career no, it’s not even debatable. That’s the point kid, careers aren’t made in one season.

Shaq never lead an entire post season in blocks and rebounding per game,

So? He has in ppg and in scoring efficiency. Fact.

Shaq never finished in the top 5 in rebounding blocks and steals all in the same season,

One season. Congrats.

Shaq never finished in the top 10 in 6 different statistical categories, Shaq never lead the NBA in blocks, rebounding and scoring...

Yawn. One season.

Shaq didn't win a scoring le and a DPOY...

Yawn. One season. And besides, Shaq has won scoring les, who gives a rats ass if it wasn’t the same year as some other award. That’s why he’s great, he’s consistent every year.

Shaq didn't win 5 IMB unbiased awards labeling him as the player that does the most to help his team win...

IBM awards? ing classic.

Shq wasn't the first player in NBA history to make ALL NBA and All Defense his first 6 years in the NBA...

He already has several more All NBA awards than Drob because Drob only played 7 great years. Oh but wait, I thought All NBA awards were biased whottt?

Shaq wasn't responsible for the biggest single season turnaround in NBA history as a rookie...

I thought that was Duncan. But again, who cares. The GOAT never did that either, and Drob is no where near the GOAT.

Shaq never scored 50 points against a 2 time defensive player of the year Center...

Haha, one game? Try 33 and 16 over five games against 4-time DPOY Dikembe Mutombo in the 2001 Finals. Yeah, slightly more impressive :

Shaq never put a triple double on Drob...

It’s sad that basically your entire stats argument centers around one-game one-time events that don’t matter in the big picture. Face it, Drob wasn’t as good as Shaq, and didn’t perform when his team needed him the most in the playoffs. That’s why his stats go down noticeably in the playoffs.

What did Shaq do?

Won an assload of FG% les while simultaneously being one of the worst FT% shooters in NBA history...

Over his career Shaq is actually a slightly more efficient scorer than Drob when FG% and FTM are taken into account. Of course, Shaq has draw far more attention and made his teammates better in the process, while Drob never had that impact save for one season.

his ass kicked in the finals, swept every year of his career until he jumped ship to a better organization....

And those failures were still far more than Drob ever did throughout his entire career. Sad really.

That's your whole ing argument...

Not really, since I said you could ignore his Laker achievements in the playoffs if you wanted to, and even then he still had the superior success and stats.

That year we played the Rockets our coach was a rookie...

And Dream schooled Drob and showed him who the real MVP was. Yeah, good call.

No, you're ing stupid because you don't think teamates matter...

Yes, I do. Reread my previous posts if you’re still confused. Teammates matter, absolutely. Too bad for Drob that he came up short every season of his career as leader of the Spurs while Shaq at least got a similar supporting cast to the Finals and beat Jordan to get there.

you think it's an accomplisment playign a team in a later round and getting beat worse...

It’s better than never beating Jordan.

You are a ing idiot with the logic of a drunk junebug.

Hey now, I’m not the moron that thinks Drob > Shaq, remember? :

How come he stopped being able to draw that attention in the finals?

Because he played a better center, the Dream. The same one that destroyed Drob. And of course some of his teammates choked, notably Anderson at the FT line. It happens, Dream was the better center and had a slightly better (or equal if you want) supporting cast. They were also a championship team the season before, no surprise they beat the Magic considering that team’s lack of experience deep in the playoffs.

I guess Kobe must really suck then because he's never shot at the PCT Scott and Anderson shot that year...

What? Forget the Lakers’ les if you want, Shaq > Drob even in when Shaq was younger than 24 and Drob was smack in the middle of his prime. Young Shaq still went further in the playoffs, still put up equally good numbers. And it only got better as he entered his prime.

Penny was ALL NBA 1st team that year...Horace Grant was all NBA Defense 4 times and had played on 3 championship teams.

All NBA is a popularity contest, remember? Christ, at least try to be consistent with your own bull . And no, while Horace was great, Rodman was a good deal greater when he was in his prime playing with Drob. And Avery, Elliott, etc. made up for Shaq’s advantages with Penny.

Drob never had a player that was 1st team ALL NBA alongside him in his entire career until Duncan...and he won 2 ing les when he got it...

Actually, what’s funny is that he couldn’t win with Duncan in 98 against an aging Bulls squad. In fact, he was beat yet again by the aging Jazz. That’s ing sad. If you’re supposedly as good as Shaq and you can’t win with Duncan, you just plain aren’t as good as your homer fans say you are.

How come Shaq didn't do it every year?

Already explained son, reread my previous posts. I’ll say it again; who the cares that he didn’t do it every year, no one has, not even the GOATs. Your point is moot, as always. It's like saying Jordan never led the league in blocks or rebounds, it's moot, he's still the GOAT.

C'mon dumb all it takes is Shaq to win a le right?

No, all it takes is for you to use your brain and admit Drob not only never won les as the leader of his team, but that he has had significantly fewer dominant seasons than Shaq (six and counting) and that his stats are no better than Shaq’s, in fact worse, over his career. Again, these are all facts.

Otherwise Horry>Shaq

LMAO. Already explained kid, reread my previous posts. Take reading comp classes at the local junior college if you’re still not sure what’s going on.

[Leetonidas]

1. We're 55-20 at the moment, so you're prediction was horrible.
2. There aren't even ten games left in the season, so we will not finish at 30 losses.

Enjoy the offseason.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Kaster, Shaq's a big fatty. Do you remember the poster DRob made with no shirt a few years back? Shaq could never do that.

Heck, Dave could probably make another poster like that now. . .he's chisled. Shaq will look like a gigantic Charles Barkley in 10 years.

And when all is said and done, all that really matters is how you look, and that's something Shaq will never have on David.







(Motto: Arguing to the point that you get bent out of shape over stupid stuff is. . .well. . .stupid.)

[TDfan2007]

KORI PLEASE CLOSE THIS THREAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Experiment2100]

Bump, just for you Lakergod.

[whottt]

a huge pile of

Kaster, I got it...you think Shaq was better because he got swept.


...and because he won a second round playoff series against a 47 win team in a conference in which Drob never even played..

And because if we went and took a poll anywhere more people would agree with you...

I got it the first time you said it...As a matter of fact, I got it before you ever said it...

That doesn't make you right.

And it doesn't keep you from being an idiot.

You have done nothing to back up your point...you just keep spewing the same points over and over again and acting like you are being enlightening...and expecting some mass groupings of Shaq fans to come and save you...

In case you noticed...no one is coming to rescue you and it still wouldn't change the incredible weakness in your arguments or your total failure to justify your stance.

You were the one that brought up all NBA teams...and I'm glad you brought up that Jazz team...that same team swept your Lakers...and on that team was the entire core of your NBA chamions...as well as Elden Campbell, Eddie Jones, and Nick Van Exel...

I know...but Drob had Vinny Del Negro.

Just STFU...no one is going to come and save you...and it won't shut me up...or make your weak arguments better.

Like I said earlier...if all Shaq Jockers argued like you do on Shaq's behalf...no one would think Shaq was better...

[whottt]

The ultimate stupidity of the playoff argument is perfectly illustrated by your butt kicking in the NBA finals...Ben Wallace beat Shaq and Shaq had a team many considered to be one of the greatest ever assembled...therefore Wallace>Shaq...or Chauncey Billups > Shaq...since he was on the same court as Shaq and won a finals MVP. Stupid ass.

[td4mvp21]

I think the arguement can go on forever. Shaq couldn't do it without Kobe, and Drob couldn't do it without Duncan.

[Hook Dem]

Back to the topic....Where the are you Lakergod? Sulking with Pooh after his Pasties lost to the Knicks in overtime???????

[3rdCoast]

how many rings does drob have? how many does shaq have? yea, thats what i thought.

[whottt]

how many rings does drob have? how many does shaq have? yea, thats what i thought.

How many rings does Steve Kerr have? How many does Shaq have?

Yeah, that's what I thought.

Kerr>Shaq

[3rdCoast]

your logic is moronic, why do people have such a hard time admitting that shaq is one of the nba's best players ever?

[texbumTHElife]

your logic is moronic, why do people have such a hard time admitting that shaq is one of the nba's best players ever?

If only he had half the skill of players half his size.

[3rdCoast]

so the argument is that he is only good because he is so big? ok no problem. hes a big guy and uses it to his advantage. what would you do? hes big and bullies players around and he is good at it. he is good at what he does. get over it.

[whottt]

your logic is moronic, why do people have such a hard time admitting that shaq is one of the nba's best players ever?

Nop, your logic that you can label one player greater than another based on the playoffs or les won is moronic...

Teams win playoffs, not individuals...

And if last years finals don't drive this point home to you then nothing ever will.

The better but far less talented team won...

And it's even more true with bigmen...bigmen do not bring the ball up the court, they are entirely reliant on someone getting them the ball...they are also reliant on their teamates to hit their open shots...


Do you think it's a coincicence that Kareem Adbul Jabbar never won a le without a player who was or would be the all time leader in assists on his team?

In fact...Kareem went from finals MVP to being in last place and not even making the playoffs when he had no quality guards...


And therein lies my point about what makes Drob great...The Spurs were a le contender no matter what crap he had at the guard spots....

He'd still get his team to the playoffs...matter of fact he'd still finish in the top two spots in the division...

You go look at what Hakeem, Shaq, Wilt, and Kareem did when they had guards like Drob....they didn't even make the playoffs.

[3rdCoast]

ok...i agree. so what exactly is your problem? are you mad that shaq has played with better supporting casts than robinson? what is your deal?

[whottt]

I am mad that people always right Drob off as some kind of choking soft and won't even include him among the greatest C's ever...people act like it's a joke...

And when you break it down and look at it you see he is probably the most under-rated player to ever step foot on an NBA court.

And in his prime he beat every great C and carried his team better in the regular season, than any of them...

But instead he is judged by one playoff series against the defending champions...

Hakeem beat Drob 4-2 in that series, Drob was double teamed in nearly every game and Hakeem wasn't even the primary defender...while the Spurs had Drob guarding Hakeem 1 on 1 most of that series...

Hakeem got 1 playoff series...

Drob won beat Hakeem by a 3-1 margin in their entire careers...

Judge Shaq by his first playoff series against the Spurs...

Judge Duncan by his first playoff series against the Jazz...

Drob is judged by that one series...like he was too much of a choker to win...well...he got 2 rings...so obviously he wasn't a choker...

[3rdCoast]

i never said he wasnt good. I think he was a great player. Just not as good as shaq. thats what i think.

[TheWriter]

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Gotta keep bumping this classic.