Better player: Joe Johnson or Manu Ginobili

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

I can't find the box-scores of that series. Can somebody post them?

game 1 he was 3-13

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

He didn't do much with the Spurs and playing next to Tim, but once he went to Orlando he had a career year.

That had a lot to do with being the primary ball handler on Orlando when Manu and Parker both got more touches on SA.

[DAF86]

So I guess since Amare has dropped 40+ on Duncan more than Duncan has dropped 40+ on Amare, Amare > Duncan.

Good point! I think you just killed that argument.

No, 'cause I never said that Manu > Joe because he dropped 40+ twice on him. (I give other reasons for that)

I was just answering the "whole two games" response.

[duncan228]

I can't find the box-scores of that series. Can somebody post them?

Game 1

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=280521013

Game 2

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=280523013

Game 3

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=280525024

Game 4

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=280527024

Game 5

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=280529013

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

DAF86, in the future, if you need a box score or any statistic, go to basketball-reference.com

[DJB]

For the regular season - JJ
For the playoffs, give me Manu

[DPG21920]

No team with Joe Johnson as the number 1 option would win a le either.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

No team with Joe Johnson as the number 1 option would win a le either.

Never said otherwise. I do have a hard time believing a team led by Manu could win 47 games and advance to the 2nd round.

[angelbelow]

Talent wise and potential wise, JJ easily. But I think the smarter player is Manu. Whether it is his work ethic, his Bball IQ, his compe iveness, or his luck, Ginobili has been the more successful player. So this is a tough poll. I picked ginobili obviously because I'm biased and I think it could be argued either way.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Talent wise and potential wise, JJ easily. But I think the smarter player is Manu. Whether it is his work ethic, his Bball IQ, his compe iveness, or his luck, Ginobili has been the more successful player. So this is a tough poll. I picked ginobili obviously because I'm biased and I think it could be argued either way.

My personal view is BBall IQ is part of your natural talent. IMO talent isn't only physical gifts. No matter how hard he tried, JJ would never be as smart as Manu.

[DAF86]

Game 1

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=280521013

Game 2

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=280523013

Game 3

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=280525024

Game 4

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=280527024

Game 5

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=280529013

DAF86, in the future, if you need a box score or any statistic, go to basketball-reference.com

Thanks

[z0sa]

Never said otherwise. I do have a hard time believing a team led by Manu could win 47 games and advance to the 2nd round.

Why?

[DAF86]

Thanks

Oh and by the way, the games were just as I thought they were. The only close thing to a "8 pts 15 shots" performance was that 3 for 13 in game 1. The only time he took 15 shots he made 30 points.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Why?

Cause he' get injured if he tried to carry a team through 82 games like JJ did last year.

[Leetonidas]

Again, I assumed that since we're in an "NBA" forum, we're talking about the NBA.

Um...

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[dirk4mvp]

Oh and by the way, the games were just as I thought they were. The only close thing to a "8 pts 15 shots" performance was that 3 for 13 in game 1. The only time he took 15 shots he made 30 points.

He was terrible most of that series.

[TheManFromAcme]

Talent wise and potential wise, JJ easily. But I think the smarter player is Manu. Whether it is his work ethic, his Bball IQ, his compe iveness, or his luck, Ginobili has been the more successful player. So this is a tough poll. I picked ginobili obviously because I'm biased and I think it could be argued either way.

Not to mention that unexplainable intangible that Gino brings. Tough poll but my personal $$ would be with Manu.

[DAF86]

He was terrible most of that series.

Yep, I'm not saying other wise, but I think we all also know that there was a pretty good reason for that. When Sasha Vujacic of all people kept him in check you knew something was wrong.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Um...

OK, so I needed to directly say my question was who is the better NBA player? I'm saying it now. Are you happy?

[dirk4mvp]

Yep, I'm not saying other wise, but I think we all also know that there was a pretty good reason for that. When Sasha Vujacic of all people kept him in check you knew something was wrong.

You mean nba players have played injured before?

[rayray2k8]

Johnson right now, but as to who has achieved more in his career? Manu Ginobili

[DAF86]

You mean nba players have played injured before?

One thing is to play injured and other thing is to play like Manu did. Did you see the play (in the Argentina vs US semis of the olympics) where he finally broke entirely that ankle? ... Dude wasn't even touched, he was just running and suddenly he fell to the ground and started screaming. He wasn't even at 40% on that series.

[Amaso]

Who's the better player right now? Joe Johnson
Who's the better basketball player? Manu

[anonoftheinternets]

Who's the better player right now? Joe Johnson
Who's the better basketball player? Manu

+ 1 .. personally i think manu is past his prime and will be relegated to playing a more jumpshooting role. But he may have 2 years at at his best left in him. Will have to wait and see this season play out.

[jazzypimp]

One thing is to play injured and other thing is to play like Manu did. Did you see the play (in the Argentina vs US semis of the olympics) where he finally broke entirely that ankle? ... Dude wasn't even touched, he was just running and suddenly he fell to the ground and started screaming. He wasn't even at 40% on that series.

I've seen manu fall down screaming many times when not even touched. I think that is just how he learned to play basketball!