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    Thank you for your service.
    You have a record of picking words from a sentence and leaving the rest out. Credibility.

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    The people around me in real life aren't as stupid or cowardly as you.

    They are brave enough to answer questions like "Do you think WWI was an unconventional war?"
    What people? YOu spend every minute of your day on this website alone.

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    Sounds pretty conventional to me.
    Then the ATF doing raid on building ran by a druglord to fight the war on drugs is conventional warfare

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    Sounds pretty conventional to me.
    the enemy they fought were insurgents. the insurgents practiced guerilla warfare. they are also not a recognized legitimate en y.

    Just because one side is a conventional military does not mean it is a conventional war.

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    Then the ATF doing raid on building ran by a druglord to fight the war on drugs is conventional warfare
    Did you read the entire excerpt?

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    the enemy they fought were insurgents. the insurgents practiced guerilla warfare.
    When enraged Iraqis rushed from the mosque blindly firing AKs, the Marines shot them down.
    Stupid but not really Guerrilla.

    they are also not a recognized legitimate en y.
    Insurgents surprise U.S. with coordination of their attacks: coordinated, combined, volley-fire RPGs, effective use of indirect fire...Enemy maneuvered effectively and stood and fought
    Ouch. Another hit for ya.

    Just because one side is a conventional military does not mean it is a conventional war.
    Sure why not. But this seemed at least somewhat conventional.

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    Stupid but not really Guerrilla.

    Ouch. Another hit for ya.


    Sure why not. But this seemed at least somewhat conventional.
    you realize you SUPPORTED my arguments?

    http://www.dtic.mil/doctrine/jel/dod...ta/u/7795.html

    Definitions:
    (DOD) A broad spectrum of military and paramilitary operations, normally of long duration, predominantly conducted through, with, or by indigenous or surrogate forces who are organized, trained, equipped, supported, and directed in varying degrees by an external source. It includes, but is not limited to, guerrilla warfare, subversion, sabotage, intelligence activities, and unconventional assisted recovery. Also called UW.


    They were organized? Good. How is that a ouch hit for me? Read the definition.

    predominantly conducted through, with, or by indigenous or surrogate forces who are organized, trained, equipped, supported, and directed in varying degrees


    I don't see how some people who ran out of a building means they aren't practicing guerilla warfare.

    Are you trolling again? I thought you said you knew about fallujah.

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    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/...in556154.shtml

    General: Guerrilla Warfare In Iraq

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    What is happening now is REBELS, insurgents are hiding amongst civilians and attacking and then running away. that is guerilla warfare.
    Insurgents surprise U.S. with coordination of their attacks: coordinated, combined, volley-fire RPGs, effective use of indirect fire...Enemy maneuvered effectively and stood and fought
    Based on your definition this wasn't Guerrilla warfare. Ouch.

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    I don't see how some people who ran out of a building means they aren't practicing guerilla warfare.
    Do you know what Guerrilla warfare is?

    Are you trolling again? I thought you said you knew about fallujah.
    I clearly know more than you do.

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    Based on your definition this wasn't Guerrilla warfare. Ouch.
    Definitions:
    (DOD) A broad spectrum of military and paramilitary operations, normally of long duration, predominantly conducted through, with, or by indigenous or surrogate forces who are organized, trained, equipped, supported, and directed in varying degrees by an external source. It includes, but is not limited to, guerrilla warfare, subversion, sabotage, intelligence activities, and unconventional assisted recovery. Also called UW.

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    Definitions:
    (DOD) A broad spectrum of military and paramilitary operations, normally of long duration, predominantly conducted through, with, or by indigenous or surrogate forces who are organized, trained, equipped, supported, and directed in varying degrees by an external source. It includes, but is not limited to, guerrilla warfare, subversion, sabotage, intelligence activities, and unconventional assisted recovery. Also called UW.
    That bolded part could also describe forces in a conventional war. These guys stood and fought. That's in contradiction to your definition. Ouch.

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    That bolded part could also describe forces in a conventional war. These guys stood and fought. That's in contradiction to your definition. Ouch.
    They didn't all stand and fight, and the ones that did still qualify as guerrilla tactics because they are GUERRILLA FIGHTERS using Fallujah as a base of operations to conduct hit and run attacks against US forces. Marines had to go from building to building to clear every one because they had no idea where the bad guys were.

    so Fallujah was an attack against one of the guerilla forces hideout.

    Of course some stand and fight. That doesn't mean they weren't guerrilla fighters in the first place.

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    They didn't all stand and fight,

    and the ones that did still qualify as guerrilla tactics because they are GUERRILLA FIGHTERS
    Based on what?
    using Fallujah as a base of operations to conduct hit and run attacks against US forces.
    Using it because they were citizens of Fallujah.
    Marines had to go from building to building to clear every one because they had no idea where the bad guys were.
    At one point maybe. But there was also a conventional battle.

    so Fallujah was an attack against one of the guerilla forces hideout.
    no

    Of course some stand and fight.
    so they're not guerrillas
    That doesn't mean they weren't guerrilla fighters in the first place.
    based on your definition is does.

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    Using it because they were citizens of Fallujah.
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp...nguage=printer

    "Controlled by insurgents from late April until this month, when American and Iraqi forces mounted a massive offensive aimed at restoring government authority, Fallujah had become a hub for foreign guerrillas who joined Zarqawi's network, U.S. military officials have said."

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    At one point maybe. But there was also a conventional battle.
    http://www.talkingproud.us/Military042805B.html

    US forces fought in very close quarters and along very narrow streets.






    http://www.middle-east-online.com/english/?id=11833

    House-to-house warfare in Fallujah


    Insurgents have chosen mobility to counter far superior US artillery and missiles in battle of Fallujah.




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    In the book Urban Guerrilla Warefare by Anthony James Jones
    Urban guerrilla warfare - Google Books
    On top of p. 158

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    If you google
    unconventional warfare fallujah
    ST is #4

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    If you google ST is #4
    lol thats funny. I noticed the search result under that one is :



    "As evident by the recent and widespread retaliation following the defeat of guerrilla forces in Fallujah, as so long as the insurgents can maintain access to the population they can meter their casualties to keep at tolerable levels"

    http://www.dtic.mil/cgi-bin/GetTRDoc...c=GetTRDoc.pdf

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    Ok. Where is your proof? Show me.
    Is using an A-Bomb conventional warfare? WW2 was ended this way.
    What about the kamakazes?

    Nearly every conflict uses both "conventional" and "unconventional" warfare.
    Even the good 'ol Continental Army used guerilla warfare in the American Revolution.

    When you are at war, you do what you can to win.

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    You know, the more he does outside his office, the better we are. Let him play music by Henry John Deutschendorf, Jr. for all I care, as long as he's not ing the USA.

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    Jeezus...7 pages?

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    The US forces in Fallujah assaulted the city in a conventional manner.

    The Marines initially had an unconventional plan to root out the insurgents but the command chose to assaut the city conventionally.

    WWI was a conventional war that included the use of chemical weapons.

    WWII was a conventional war that included the use of nuclear weapons.

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    Is using an A-Bomb conventional warfare? WW2 was ended this way.
    What about the kamakazes?

    Nearly every conflict uses both "conventional" and "unconventional" warfare.
    Even the good 'ol Continental Army used guerilla warfare in the American Revolution.

    When you are at war, you do what you can to win.
    A conventional war can include unconventional tactics. However the Abomb was dropped onto a military target.

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    The US forces in Fallujah assaulted the city in a conventional manner.
    so a conventional manner in an unconventional war. Got it.


    WWI was a conventional war that included the use of chemical weapons.

    WWII was a conventional war that included the use of nuclear weapons.
    In WW1 and 2, there were Rules Of Engagement that both sides agreed upon, the terrorists and militia have not. The terrorists and militia in Fallujah are not a country. It is resistance fighters.

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    Barely a page talking about the actual topic.

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