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Agreed.
Mark Miller vs. Deray Davis (Canceled)
Anyone know why that happened??
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Never mind, that's just ty...
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2009/11/8...-mark-miller-v
Agreed.
Lesnar would destroy Fedor. There's no doubt about that. Fedor likes cupcakes too much to drop to LHW.
Your statement makes no sense. Why would Fedor want to drop down to LHW? Last I checked he was doing just fine in his current weight class.
THANK YOU! Still don't know what Rogers did or said after the fight that was so bad. Someone please inform me
pretty entertaining card all around, first time i've gotten to just chill and watch some mma with the boys in a while. and fedor is a ing beast, the guy is unstoppable.
I'm not convinced. Fedor just destroyed somebody Lesnar's size (two inches taller, actually) with twice as much fight experience.
Brilliant insight, ass cheeks.
For people who don't get the comments:
Fedor is small for a HW. Rogers was able to control him in the clinch, sweep him, and didn't fair as bad as most people would have thought. Fedor's Sambo strengths didn't show, I'm afraid. Lesnar is BIGGERthan Rogers. He weighs in AT 265, after cutting weight. He is also stronger, faster, etc. He may not have as many fights, but he's already fought BETTER compe ion and dominated the fights he has won. So, uh, yeah.
UPDATE: http://www.fightlinker.com/
Brock Lesnar will smoke Fedor Emelianenko
November 8, 2009 – 1:32 am by subo
There, I said it.
This is not to take away from Fedor’s win over Brett Rogers tonight. The Grim acquitted himself exactly as one would expect a top ten heavyweight - he landed the first punch and drew blood, swept Fedor from the bottom (!) and dropped some pretty decent punches from guard. However, it appeared that Roger’s cardio began to fail him during the first round, and despite holding his own on the feet, in the clinch and, yes, on the ground against The Last Emperor, he was caught with a vicious punch while throwing a hook from below his nipples. Fedor was in trouble a couple of times, caught Rogers with some haymakers that didn’t finish the fight, and was able to cinch his second straight stoppage.
This fight, however, demonstrates a couple of reasons why Fedor chose to sign with Strikeforce. The bones in Fedor’s face may well be made of adamantium, but the skin covering them is more akin to tissue paper or cut-rate condoms (cheap guys will know what I’m talking about here) - there is no doubt in my mind that Rogers, had he elbows on the ground at his disposal (banned in Strikeforce, in direct contradiction to the Unified Rules), would have bloodied the cham… oh wait, he’s still not the Strikeforce champion, but he did keep the WAMMA trinket (did that thing make the air? If so, I mercifully missed it)… even more than he did. And with a little more cardio, maybe Rogers reclaims his top position after escaping the arm bar, and who knows?
What else did we learn? That Fedor is a tiny, tiny heavyweight. He is one half inch taller and about five pounds lighter than Pat Barry. His vaunted Sambo was enough to keep Rogers off balance, but I was very, very surprised by how well The Grim handled himself in the clinch. Rogers, at 6′4 and 262 pounds, represents the new breed and size of heavyweight contenders, exemplified by the oft-delayed but still upcoming Shane Carwin/Brock Lesnar le fight. With a style described as ‘boxing/Muay Thai’ by the CBS graphics department and a history of simply banging his way to victory, Rogers was able to, for a near if not outright majority of the fight, dictate where the action took place. If he had a wrestling background, one imagines he would have been able to clinch and take down Fedor at will.
These three facts - cardio is a necessity at the upper echelons of MMA, Fedor is impossibly small at heavyweight and Grimm’s grappling, while sufficient, left a lot to be desired - make my previous stance on Fedor/Lesnar unsustainable. I’ve given Fedor the edge in that fight. I can’t anymore. I will stick to my previous stance that Lesnar is not the #1 heavyweight unless and until he defends against Shane Carwin, but I will add an amendment - I will have the winner of that fight, whomever it may be, at #1. I believe Carwin and Lesnar present similar punching power and size to Rogers, which are clearly enough to damage and trouble Fedor, while filling in the gaps (cardio and wrestling a en) that Fedor exploited to win. I now pick Lesnar and Carwin over Fedor, and whenever that fight happens, the winner knocks Fedor to #2… assuming, of course, that Overeem hasn’t done it already (huge size, better striking than Rogers and better cardio could make up for the grappling mismatch - and I don’t even have Alistair in my top ten).
And if Cain beats Nog, I’ll give him the edge, too.
Update: Here’s a little something for everyone that disagrees with me.
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Whatever, you ing . Hey Rich Franklin! Look at my camera and say something ing re ed. LOL.
Funny how people here are so impressed with him beating Rogers, when not even a few weeks ago, most people were making fun of Rogers as an opponent. Now, Fedor won and everyone wants to sing his praises. Some short-term memory loss going on in here.
Don't agree with all of this but it sure is well thought out and funny..For people who don't get the comments:
Fedor is small for a HW. Rogers was able to control him in the clinch, sweep him, and didn't fair as bad as most people would have thought. Fedor's Sambo strengths didn't show, I'm afraid. Lesnar is BIGGERthan Rogers. He weighs in AT 265, after cutting weight. He is also stronger, faster, etc. He may not have as many fights, but he's already fought BETTER compe ion and dominated the fights he has won. So, uh, yeah.
UPDATE: http://www.fightlinker.com/
Brock Lesnar will smoke Fedor Emelianenko
November 8, 2009 – 1:32 am by subo
There, I said it.
This is not to take away from Fedor’s win over Brett Rogers tonight. The Grim acquitted himself exactly as one would expect a top ten heavyweight - he landed the first punch and drew blood, swept Fedor from the bottom (!) and dropped some pretty decent punches from guard. However, it appeared that Roger’s cardio began to fail him during the first round, and despite holding his own on the feet, in the clinch and, yes, on the ground against The Last Emperor, he was caught with a vicious punch while throwing a hook from below his nipples. Fedor was in trouble a couple of times, caught Rogers with some haymakers that didn’t finish the fight, and was able to cinch his second straight stoppage.
This fight, however, demonstrates a couple of reasons why Fedor chose to sign with Strikeforce. The bones in Fedor’s face may well be made of adamantium, but the skin covering them is more akin to tissue paper or cut-rate condoms (cheap guys will know what I’m talking about here) - there is no doubt in my mind that Rogers, had he elbows on the ground at his disposal (banned in Strikeforce, in direct contradiction to the Unified Rules), would have bloodied the cham… oh wait, he’s still not the Strikeforce champion, but he did keep the WAMMA trinket (did that thing make the air? If so, I mercifully missed it)… even more than he did. And with a little more cardio, maybe Rogers reclaims his top position after escaping the arm bar, and who knows?
What else did we learn? That Fedor is a tiny, tiny heavyweight. He is one half inch taller and about five pounds lighter than Pat Barry. His vaunted Sambo was enough to keep Rogers off balance, but I was very, very surprised by how well The Grim handled himself in the clinch. Rogers, at 6′4 and 262 pounds, represents the new breed and size of heavyweight contenders, exemplified by the oft-delayed but still upcoming Shane Carwin/Brock Lesnar le fight. With a style described as ‘boxing/Muay Thai’ by the CBS graphics department and a history of simply banging his way to victory, Rogers was able to, for a near if not outright majority of the fight, dictate where the action took place. If he had a wrestling background, one imagines he would have been able to clinch and take down Fedor at will.
These three facts - cardio is a necessity at the upper echelons of MMA, Fedor is impossibly small at heavyweight and Grimm’s grappling, while sufficient, left a lot to be desired - make my previous stance on Fedor/Lesnar unsustainable. I’ve given Fedor the edge in that fight. I can’t anymore. I will stick to my previous stance that Lesnar is not the #1 heavyweight unless and until he defends against Shane Carwin, but I will add an amendment - I will have the winner of that fight, whomever it may be, at #1. I believe Carwin and Lesnar present similar punching power and size to Rogers, which are clearly enough to damage and trouble Fedor, while filling in the gaps (cardio and wrestling a en) that Fedor exploited to win. I now pick Lesnar and Carwin over Fedor, and whenever that fight happens, the winner knocks Fedor to #2… assuming, of course, that Overeem hasn’t done it already (huge size, better striking than Rogers and better cardio could make up for the grappling mismatch - and I don’t even have Alistair in my top ten).
And if Cain beats Nog, I’ll give him the edge, too.
Update: Here’s a little something for everyone that disagrees with me.
Could someone PLEASE tell me what he did post fight?!?!?!
I can't stand Goldberg and his forced voice but at least he's a legitimate fan and has a decent comprehension.
Both D-Bags, though..
He was pretty emotional and at the verge of tears at first but then became indignant and a bit of a brat -- basically saying the reason he lost was not trusting in himself and that it'd be a completely different outcome in a rematch.
It wasn't all that bad.
The guy just got KTFO for the first time and he obviously was pretty raw emotionally after; his ties were still spectacular, though.
btw after every opponent many ppl were saying how bad Fedor was and how many weaknesses he has. Still Fedor was winning
Hunto controlled him on the ground and almost submited, almost cause Fedor submited him.
Same with Choi.
Sylvia would cause that Fedor would notb have adventage standing - Fedor dropped him.
Arlovski was faster and better techinician in the standup. Fedor shut him off.
Rogers is big and was controlling and bulking Fedor - fedor put him away.
There was no danger losing that fight in any moment that's what Fedor said.
Rogers swept Fedor only when Fedor went for a sub.
Though as I've said before - dynamic and with wrestling background Lesnar would be the worst opponent for Fedor.
And wow fatty lhw is beating elite hw's all his career.
Really? All the Elite? Choi is elite, Rogers is elite? The problem was Rogers was already gassing at the end of the first. Go look at Rogers' record. He hasn't made it past the 2 minute mark of the 2nd round of any fight.
Look at who Fedor has fought and tell me who the elite opponents are, and not people who were cast-outs of other orgs:
Code:Result Opponent Method Event le Date Round Time Win Brett Rogers TKO (Punches) Strikeforce / M-1 Global - Fedor vs. Rogers 11/7/2009 2 1:48 Win Andrei Arlovski KO (Punch) Affliction - Day of Reckoning 1/24/2009 1 3:14 Win Tim Sylvia Submission (Rear-Naked Choke) Affliction - Banned 7/19/2008 1 0:36 Win Hong Man Choi Submission (Armbar) Yarennoka - New Years Eve 2007 12/31/2007 1 1:54 Win Matt Lindland Submission (Armbar) Bodog Fight - Clash of the Nations 4/14/2007 1 2:58 Win Mark Hunt Submission (Kimura) PRIDE - Shockwave 2006 12/31/2006 1 8:16 Win Mark Coleman Submission (Armbar) PRIDE 32 - The Real Deal 10/21/2006 2 1:15 Win Wagner da Conceicao Martins Submission (Punches) PRIDE - Shockwave 2005 12/31/2005 1 0:26 Win Mirko Filipovic Decision (Unaminous) PRIDE - Final Conflict 2005 8/28/2005 3 5:00 Win Tsuyoshi Kosaka TKO (Doctor Stoppage) PRIDE - Bushido 6 4/3/2005 1 10:00 Win Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira Decision (Unanimous) PRIDE - Shockwave 2004 12/31/2004 3 5:00 NC Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira No Contest - Accidental Cut PRIDE - Final Conflict 2004 8/15/2004 1 3:52 Win Naoya Ogawa Submission (Armbar) PRIDE - Final Conflict 2004 8/15/2004 1 0:54 Win Kevin Randleman Submission (Kimura) PRIDE - Critical Countdown 2004 6/20/2004 1 1:33 Win Mark Coleman Submission (Armbar) PRIDE - Total Elimination 2004 4/25/2004 1 2:11 Win Yuji Nagata TKO (Punches) Inoki Bom-Ba-Ye 2003 - Inoki Festival 12/31/2003 1 1:02 Win Gary Goodridge TKO (Soccer Kicks and Punches) PRIDE - Total Elimination 2003 8/10/2003 1 1:09 Win Kazuyuki Fujita Submission (Rear Naked Choke) PRIDE 26 - Bad to the Bone 6/8/2003 1 4:17 Win Egidijus Valavicius Submission (Kimura) Rings Lithuania - Bushido Rings 7: Adrenalinas 4/5/2003 2 1:13 Win Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira Decision (Unanimous) PRIDE 25 - Body Blow 3/16/2003 3 5:00 Win Heath Herring TKO (Cut) PRIDE 23 - Championship Chaos 2 11/24/2002 1 10:00 Win Semmy Schilt Decision (Unanimous) PRIDE 21 - Demolition 6/23/2002 3 5:00 Win Chris Haseman TKO (Punches) Rings - World le Series Grand Final 2/15/2002 1 2:50 Win Lee Hasdell Submission (Guillotine Choke) Rings - World le Series 5 12/21/2001 1 4:10 Win Ryushi Yanagisawa Decision (Unanimous) Rings - World le Series 4 10/20/2001 3 5:00 Win Renato Sobral Decision (Unanimous) Rings - 10th Anniversary 8/11/2001 2 5:00 Win Kerry Schall Submission (Armbar) Rings - World le Series 1 4/20/2001 1 1:47 Win Mihail Apostolov Submission (Rear Naked Choke) Rings Russia - Russia vs Bulgaria 4/6/2001 1 1:03 Loss Tsuyoshi Kosaka TKO (Cut) Rings - King of Kings 2000 Block B 12/22/2000 1 0:17 Win Ricardo Arona Decision (Unanimous) Rings - King of Kings 2000 Block B 12/22/2000 3 5:00 Win Hiroya Takada KO (Punches) Rings - Battle Genesis Vol. 6 9/5/2000 1 0:12 Win Levon Lagvilava Submission (Rear-Naked Choke) Rings - Russia vs Georgia 8/16/2000 1 7:24 Win Martin Lazarov Submission (Guillotine Choke) Rings Russia - Russia vs. Bulgaria 5/21/2000 1 2:24
Leonard is gearing up for a long reply..
LOL Id say thats a half and half decent resume. He has fought a lot of scrubs but has won some legit fights though.
Fedor is 33 and he is now racking up injuries when he fights which is harder to recover from since the common one seems to be breaking the same hand. His chance to secure his all time greatness is gone unless he goes to the UFC in the next year or so and dominates there.. It's doubtful that will ever happen.. There is nobody for him in SF to fight that is really credible, past another fight with Rogers and Overeem. And i don't really think much of Overeem, neither does the public..
I concur. I know I'm probably hyper-critical, but I just think you should be fighting the best of RIGHT now -- not the best of last year, the best of three years ago, the best of what's available, or the best freak.
Rogers might be good one day, but not now and not with that cardio. Overeem is in Japan juicin' it up, er. 'working out hard' to win some fights.
Both Sylvia and Arlovski were considered by many to be " currently one of the best" when he fought them.
That being said, Fedor's body is breaking down. 33 isn't old, unless you're an athlete. He shouldn't push his luck much longer.
Do you believe they were currently "one of the best" when they fought Fedor?
I think Nog and Cro Cop were among the best of all time when he fought and beat them. But that is the problem with Fedor's career. It will likely be seen in 2 parts. The great Fedor of Pride and the one that has been fighting in tiny shows and much lesser fighters the 2nd half of his career. Yes not everyone he fought in Pride was great but they sure are better than the list of cans he's got lined up in SF..
Slyvia, is a good fighter was always a good fighter in the UFC but he was never great. Any man that's got a beat up Snowman Monson in front of him for 5 rds and can't finish isn't a great HW in my eyes..
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