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I did, almost 50 posts earlier in this thread. In fact, you responded to it. Interesting that you now cannot recall the exchange.
Even though I haven't a clue who you're talking about, I've been known to have that effect.
I did, almost 50 posts earlier in this thread. In fact, you responded to it. Interesting that you now cannot recall the exchange.
Even though it would appear differently at this particular time, I haven't the time to sift through the short stories that are many of the threads. If this exchange did in fact take place, when why are you carrying on in a childish manner?
And saying that the Big Post Count Gang is singling you out is not childish?
Ah, going with the old "you did it, so it's okay if I do it" defense. Only you left out the part where I didn't say that, genius.
What is even funnier about this...is that you accuse people of all kinds of things yet when you are accused you "didn't say it".
I knew you'd pull out a previous quote, but just like your buddy Mel_13, you've misconstrued what I've said obviously. I didn't recall saying there was a gang (or naming it for that matter), nor do I recall saying I was "singled" out. And do you know why I don't recall saying these two things? Because I didn't say them. You, like many, need to work on your reading comprehension.What is even funnier about this...is that you accuse people of all kinds of things yet when you are accused you "didn't say it".
Ya know, I'm starting to think your obnoxious, little-man syndrome approach is commendable. I've actually thought to give some honest-to-good friendly advice about tweaking the way you come off so that you could get the type of debate you want, but I'm starting to think you've got this message board thing figured out..
See, had you not come out of the gates making all sorts of noise, your posts, no matter how good, would widely be passed over by the majority or not given much thoughtful consideration; it's the paying of dues that even I, the not-so-humble know-it-all, had to do. You seemed to have found a way to speed up the process and find a short cut, so, in that, I commend you.
Now, hopefully, you can dial it down a bit to start contributing some quality basketball dialogue, and not cover up with the gloves so you can actually see what's going on in front of you; this is not meant to be condescending, I've found there to be quite a bit of substance in most your takes. We've actually had a good amount of common ground from what I've gleaned.
Now, as I remove my rose-colored glasses and attempt to get over myself, my OP wasn't addressed solely to you, it was in small part, but more so to the Chicken Little's that swarm to this board like flies on after a loss..
See, what you failed to understand from my OP, covering up with the gloves can do that, is that I wasn't making an excuse or trying to pretend this team doesn't have anything to worry about; at least as it pertains to Championship aspirations. My only problem is that, the consensus among most basketball junkies who follow the Spurs coming into the season, was that the team was going to get progressively better as the season wore; '03 and '04 being a template for what was to come because of the roster turnover and ensuing integration process. But as soon as the consensus view starts to play out and come to fruition, it's as if it's something completely unexpected. It really would be maddening if it wasn't so adorable. You're right, though.. Timmy isn't the same guy. But that had nothing to do with the point; it was going to be a rough start regardless of Duncan's prowess.
I'm a realist when it comes to this team; there's nothing rose-colored about my approach. This team is the deepest and most talented team the Spurs have assembled in the little over twenty years I've followed them; and there's a very good chance it won't me when it comes to winning a Championship.
That's just a fact.
I do know this, the Spurs can win a Championship this year if everything breaks just right; good health, a fortunate bounce or schedule, maybe a clever trade, and them playing their best ball at the right time could have them accomplishing their ultimate goal. But their margin for error is slim and because of the tenuous health of Tim and Manu, a cautious approach to their minutes and the burden they're asked to carry has to be taken; maybe it's asking too much for them to have to take a Rockets-like road to a 'Ship, but it's still just a maybe. There's no maybe about what will happen if the Spurs don't have either of them at full, or close-to-full strength, though.
If you or anyone else wants to second-guess Pop and his approach, I've got no problem with that. Pop leaves me scratching my head on numerous occasions during the season and I do it myself. But I think you've got to view his approach on a more macro scale and realize that a decision made during the early months of the year has a different end-game and reasoning than what it'd be in April, May and June; holding someone out in a fourth quarter to be cautious with an injury or wanting to see how others react in adverse situations when put on the spot, like that you test in the early stages.
You've to know what you've got before you make your final decisions.
Pop doesn't know exactly what he's got yet and how it's all going to fit; everybody wants to see a solid rotation and some certainty with the lineup, but there isn't a message board short-cut around the discovery and building process..
Obnoxious, little-man syndrome? Except for the fact that I'm neither.Ya know, I'm starting to think your obnoxious, little-man syndrome approach is commendable. I've actually thought to give some honest-to-good friendly advice about tweaking the way you come off so that you could get the type of debate you want, but I'm starting to think you've got this message board thing figured out..
See, had you not come out of the gates making all sorts of noise, your posts, no matter how good, would widely be passed over by the majority or not given much thoughtful consideration; it's the paying of dues that even I, the not-so-humble know-it-all, had to do. You seemed to have found a way to speed up the process and find a short cut, so, in that, I commend you.
Now, hopefully, you can dial it down a bit to start contributing some quality basketball dialogue, and not cover up with the gloves so you can actually see what's going on in front of you; this is not meant to be condescending, I've found there to be quite a bit of substance in most your takes. We've actually had a good amount of common ground from what I've gleaned.
Now, as I remove my rose-colored glasses and attempt to get over myself, my OP wasn't addressed solely to you, it was in small part, but more so to the Chicken Little's that swarm to this board like flies on after a loss..
See, what you failed to understand from my OP, covering up with the gloves can do that, is that I wasn't making an excuse or trying to pretend this team doesn't have anything to worry about; at least as it pertains to Championship aspirations. My only problem is that, the consensus among most basketball junkies who follow the Spurs coming into the season, was that the team was going to get progressively better as the season wore; '03 and '04 being a template for what was to come because of the roster turnover and ensuing integration process. But as soon as the consensus view starts to play out and come to fruition, it's as if it's something completely unexpected. It really would be maddening if it wasn't so adorable. You're right, though.. Timmy isn't the same guy. But that had nothing to do with the point; it was going to be a rough start regardless of Duncan's prowess.
I'm a realist when it comes to this team; there's nothing rose-colored about my approach. This team is the deepest and most talented team the Spurs have assembled in the little over twenty years I've followed them; and there's a very good chance it won't me when it comes to winning a Championship.
That's just a fact.
I do know this, the Spurs can win a Championship this year if everything breaks just right; good health, a fortunate bounce or schedule, maybe a clever trade, and them playing their best ball at the right time could have them accomplishing their ultimate goal. But their margin for error is slim and because of the tenuous health of Tim and Manu, a cautious approach to their minutes and the burden they're asked to carry has to be taken; maybe it's asking too much for them to have to take a Rockets-like road to a 'Ship, but it's still just a maybe. There's no maybe about what will happen if the Spurs don't have either of them at full, or close-to-full strength, though.
If you or anyone else wants to second-guess Pop and his approach, I've got no problem with that. Pop leaves me scratching my head on numerous occasions during the season and I do it myself. But I think you've got to view his approach on a more macro scale and realize that a decision made during the early months of the year has a different end-game and reasoning than what it'd be in April, May and June; holding someone out in a fourth quarter to be cautious with an injury or wanting to see how others react in adverse situations when put on the spot, like that you test in the early stages.
You've to know what you've got before you make your final decisions.
Pop doesn't know exactly what he's got yet and how it's all going to fit; everybody wants to see a solid rotation and some certainty with the lineup, but there isn't a message board short-cut around the discovery and building process..
Well, I am very perceptive and resourceful.
Dial what down, stating my opinion, which happens to not jive with the vast majority of the apologists around here? We have had quite a bit of common ground from what I've been able to glean also; so what's the issue?
Covering up with the gloves? Progressively better was to be expected with this much talent and this many new faces; hovering around .500 over a month in and treating a game against one of the two best teams in the league as if it's a preseason game wasn't. Make any excuse or draw any parallel you like, the reality is if you're a true le contender, more often than not it's obvious by now. The Celtics took no time establishing themselves as a contender upon acquiring Garnett and Allen, nor did the Lakers with Gasol. It had everything to do with the end result in '03. Duncan was so great that he singlehandedly was able to makeup for the fact that that was a very flawed roster. Duncan is still great, he's just not quite as great (mostly due to mobility/durability, not an erosion of skills), so this time around either the team collectively starts playing to their potential or they're screwed. It's not going to be a case of having the best player in the world in his prime dragging them along.
It should mean something though, that's the thing. This team should at minimum look like a top 5 team at this point and let's get real here, they're not even close. Talent, experience and intelligence win in this league; the Spurs happen to have all three in abundance.
It shouldn't be slim. Honestly, who has, on paper, a better roster top to bottom than the Spurs? Most would probably take the Lakers top half because of their poor man's version of the twin towers. You could argue the Celtics, but after that I see no argument to be made. They're just flat out underachieving and the apologists have taken to making excuses for this on their behalf.
There's cautious and then there's flat out babying and being over protective; Pop's approach is clearly the latter. Ginobili has supposedly been fine for days, had 3 days off after his first game back and he plays him 18 minutes? I don't see the Celtics or the Lakers "trying things out" or "seeing what they can get away with". You don't "test out" against one of the two best teams in the league. The Spurs aren't so much better than the Celtics that they can do that and still expect to win and I assume Pop knows this, so all that tells me is that Pop wasn't taking this game seriously. Pop has simply outsmarted himself.
Other than Blair, these guys are all established, veteran players. If Pop doesn't "know what he has", then this team has got far more serious issues than they're letting on. Everyone knows these guy's strength's and weaknesses; it's not hard to put them in the best possible position to succeed.
Bumping an old thread to show that, in two months, we really haven't progressed at all. Should save site space from all the new threads popping up...
Spurs VS the Nets might be a true test now.
L's L's L's, thats all we have gotten out of our TRUE tests.
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