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The memo here
sameThe issue of whether communities can "opt out" of the Secure Communities program has been a politically sensitive one in recent years, as some localities have adopted policies of not cooperating with federal efforts to enforce immigration laws. As Scheindlin recounted in her opinion, DHS indicated through early 2010 that local communities could elect not to participate in the program, but DHS Secretary Janet Napolitano said at a press conference in October 2010, just four days after the ICE legal memo, that local law enforcement could not opt out of the program. Critics of Secure Communities say it has led to the deportation of thousands of immigrants arrested for minor offenses.
The memo here
Bump. Seems relevent.
Yep...
Some people in here need a continuous outlet to spew their xenophobia... this thread is as good as any...
amazing that a country built by immigrants, still can't accept that people go where there is opportunity. The US consumes and creates more wealth than any other nation, many times with free trade agreements. Why should goods and money be able to enter freely, but people can't follow? Its simple logic. Part of being the economic hub in the world is that people try to go there, get over it. Now, seeing as that is reality, the best thing you can do is make it legal and thus properly regulated.
It is slightly astonishing to see the level of vitriol on the subject. Well maybe no astonishing so much as sad commentary on the overall smallness of mind on the part of some.
If that's what you want to call it when I disagree with supporting illegal and harmful action, then fine.
I do understand it. I don't have to accept it.
Don't you think if we have an absolutely open border, with social services we have, that maybe a billion people would try to make it here if we stopped enforcement completely?
What about prosperity?
Sure, we have wealth, but in the end, uncontrolled immigration means robbing from the rich and giving to the poor.
Just how many people do you think we could handle if we started getting 100 million or so people annually?
I am all for legal immigration. Not illegal immigration.
I wonder how many people know that out legal immigration numbers are greater than allowed by all other countries combined?
http://volokh.com/2012/04/26/conserv...d-immigration/Conservatives and Immigration
Ilya Somin • April 26, 2012 10:39 pm
Politico’s Arena site recently asked contributors to weigh in on whether the GOP is likely to be “wounded” by its support for severe restrictions on immigration. My answer is available here:The real tragedy here is not that the GOP might suffer politically, but that so many conservative Republicans have turned against immigration in the first place. Conservatives claim to support free markets, yet many of them also wish to use massive government intervention to close off an international free market in labor. They extol the virtues of self-help, economic opportunity, and individual achievement. Yet many of them also want to build a wall to keep out immigrants who come seeking greater freedom and opportunity than they could hope for in their native lands.In this post, I explained why conservatives (and some libertarians) are wrong to worry that increased immigration will lead to a larger welfare state. Evidence from many countries suggests that increased immigration and ethnic diversity actually reduces support for welfare state policies.
Had the restrictive immigration policies favored by some of today’s conservatives been in force a century ago, the ancestors of most of those conservatives would never have been able to come to America in the first place….
Ronald Reagan said that America should be “a tall, proud city… teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace.. and … doors …. open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here.” More recently, former Florida governor Jeb Bush urged Republicans to rethink their views on immigration. Conservative Republicans should heed their call.
For this reason, among others, Jeb Bush is right to urge a change in the GOP position on this issue:Republicans should reengage on this issue and reframe it. Start by recognizing that new Americans strengthen our economy. We need more people to come to this country, ready to work and to contribute their creativity to our economy…. Just as Republicans believe in free trade of goods, we should support the freer flow of human talent.
^so what you're saying basically is, that you're anti american? because if we just let everyone in the world come on over, half of our own native born americans would be out of work. we should give jobs to foreigners and throw some of our own under the bus? force americans to leave and go find jobs in some 3rd world hole, basically swap positions?
Ilya Somin isn't advocating that and neither am I. You're allowed to read before responding...
what do you propose we do to encourage this "freer flow of human talent?" we already allow more legal immigration than any other country on earth. you can't ever allow immigrant growth to outpace job growth, though. say we opened the borders and let 1million more people over today. exactly what jobs would they take, and what about our own american citizens who are waiting in the unemployment line? we should take care of our own first.
I will never agree with illegal immigration not being a problem. One problem is we don't make people in the social system take jobs available.
There are too many negatives that go with illegal immigration.
I'm not an immigration wonk, so I don't have any white papers handy, but i can think of a couple: give guest workers better incentives to play by the rules, including viable legal pathways to citizenship; lift or lower financial requirements for foreign entrepreneurs.
is it outpacing job growth now?
Free market thinking stops at the water's edge?
It has for many years, until finally hit the fan with double digit unemployment. Don't believe those 8-9% propaganda numbers, the real rate is around 15%. Get in touch with the young crowd, the under 25's. They are the ones feeling the pain.
They are tweeting from their phones how tough life is.
^the unemployed have more time on their hands, I'd imagine.
Navarro, 33, has taken part in a historic migration. For the first time in decades, more people are moving from the U.S. to Mexico than are coming to the U.S. from Mexico, the Pew Hispanic Center reported in April. Some, like Navarro, are deported, but the vast majority came to Mexico voluntarily, according to the report.
http://techcrunch.com/2012/10/07/rep...ed-immigrants/The period of unprecedented expansion of immigrant-led entrepreneurship that characterized the 1980s and 1990s has come to a close,” writes an ominous new Kauffman Foundation report from Stanford researcher and Washington Post columnist, Vivek Wadhwa.
He and his team of researchers are finding that, despite being the source of venerable American businesses, from Carnegie to Google, immigrants no longer see the United States as the only land of dreams, driven in large part by Congress’s inability to enact high-skill friendly immigration reform. In the words of immigrant and President of Xerox’s Innovation Group Sophie Vandebroek, with whom Wadhwa spoke for his new book, Immigrant Exodus: “Clearly the attraction the United States had on people like myself two to three decades ago is very different now. Countries all over the globe now have successful and growing research universities and labs.”
Both Wadhwa’s book and accompanying report continue his seminal research on the importance of immigrants to the high-tech sector. Nearly a quarter (24.3 percent) of engineering and technology companies had at least one foreign-born founder; in Silicon Valley, it’s nearly half (43.9 percent). Nationwide, they’ve helped employ more than half a million workers (560,000) who contributed $63 billion in sales just in 2012.
The faces behind the names make the impact all the more extraordinary, writes Wadhwa:
“Each decade has yielded top-flight entrepreneurs not born in this land, from Andrew Carnegie (Carnegie Steel Company) to Alexander Graham Bell (AT&T) to Charles Pfizer (Pfizer) to Vinod Khosla (Sun Microsystems) to Sergey Brin (Google) to Elon Musk (PayPal, SpaceX, Tesla Motors). A 2011 study by the Partnership for a New American Economy tabulated that first-generation immigrants or their children had founder roles in more than 40% of the Fortune 500. These companies had combined revenues of greater than $4.2 trillion and employed more than 10 million workers worldwide.”But this foreign source of talent is now waning: After an impressively thorough sampling of 1,882 tech companies founded in the last six years, it was discovered that the immigrant’s usual contribution to the startup founder scene had stagnated, dropping from 25 percent to 24 percent. While that tiny number doesn’t seem to match Wadhwa’s (relatively) apocalyptic language, he sees it as an early warning sign. In Silicon Valley, the drop in foreign-born founders is far more pronounced, plummeting from 52 percent to 43 percent.
Washington apple growers scrambling to find workers
One after another, at a recent emergency meeting in Wenatchee called by the Governor's Office, fruit growers talked about how hard it's been to find workers as the harvest hits its sweet spot.
One orchardist recalled how, of the 149 people referred to him earlier in the season by the state's unemployment office, half showed up on the first day, a quarter on the second day.
Now, only five remain.
And so it went around the room, until a representative from the state Department of Corrections proposed an unexpected solution: prison labor.
"Do they come with guards?" one grower asked.
While putting inmates to work in the fruit orchards of Eastern Washington proved too costly and too late to help growers this year, that it was even considered and studied shows the lengths to which growers and state officials will go to address the labor problems in one of
Washington's most vital industries.
Apples alone are a $1.5 billion-a-year business in the state.
And two weeks ago Gov. Chris Gregoire amped up what now has become an almost annual harvest-time refrain by growers when she declared the state's farm-labor shortage a crisis.
Growers mostly blame rising tensions around illegal immigration that have spooked migrant farmworkers, the majority of whom are here illegally, while worker advocates say there'd be no shortage if growers were willing to pay workers more.
"Truth be told, we've always had a labor shortage in this state; 75 percent of these workers aren't authorized to be here," said Dan Fazio, director of the Washington Farm Labor Association.
http://seattletimes.com/html/localne...mlabor31m.html
FARM OWNERS, WORKERS WORRY ABOUT IMMIGRATION LAW’S IMPACT ON CROPS
http://gfvga.org/2011/06/farm-owners...pact-on-crops/
Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories...#ixzz28jF2aZATThe tech industry has a message for Republicans and Democrats bickering over competing immigration bills: See the bigger picture. Tech companies, desperate for more high-skilled talent, aren’t particularly concerned with how Congress delivers more green cards for foreign graduates of U.S. universities with advanced degrees. They just want them.
Foreigners in tech jobs usually work a lot cheaper than US tech workers. This is just the tech industry screwing down US employees by pitting them against foreigners.
sounds plausible. can you support that?
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