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There's much I want to say. I wish I wasn't privy to some of the classified information that I am privy to...but my friends working in non-profits over in China definately say it's a missile.
Like that.
Its a fact.
The National Association for the Advancement of Colored People.
It's clearly OK with them.
There's much I want to say. I wish I wasn't privy to some of the classified information that I am privy to...but my friends working in non-profits over in China definately say it's a missile.
No, they weren't "the Japs" then. They were at the time commonly referred to as Japs in a derogatory manner.
There's a difference.
Is your term for the Japanese clearly OK with them?
But neither do you believe it was a plane, as reported. Or a US missile, as originally speculated. So, either you have an opinion that is impossible to support logically, an opinion that has not yet been shared by you or anyone else, or no opinion whatsoever.
Don't talk down to me.
Logon as "Deep Throat" and spill them beans!
But neither do you believe it was a plane, as reported. Or a US missile, as originally speculated. So, either you have an opinion that is impossible to support logically, an opinion that has not yet been shared by you or anyone else, or no opinion whatsoever.
Correct. I don't have enough verifiable facts to make a firm conclusion. , it could have been a UFO.
Don't talk down to me.
Having a bad day?
We did detect them.
As I remember it, not before launch and a subsequent clearly successful attack.
Really underlines the importance of this thread, then. Glad you started it.
No. Having a pretty damn good one, actually. I just happen not to be swayed enough by your pseudo John Wayne persona to swoon and step aside, like a good woman should, when you tell me to play nice.
Having a bad day?
They were detected after launch. They were mistaken for American planes.
Really underlines the importance of this thread, then. Glad you started it.
oh pleeze...look at the time...I started it just minutes after the media reported a "rocket fired off the coast of California"...
Is every thread supposed to be monumental?
No. Having a pretty damn good one, actually. I just happen not to be swayed enough by your pseudo John Wayne persona to swoon and step aside, like a good woman should, when you tell me to play nice.
You are the one that came in swinging...now I'm totally crushed...your approval means EVERYTHING to me...
I thought the US knew what was coming, but ripped out all their radar and stuff shortly before the attack so they were basically blind.
And this is important to you why?
Because it's what actually happened.
Why is trying to propagate an erroneous history based on your recollection important to you?
*sigh*
Chump, this is my original statement that you have been arguing against for two pages...
Conventional wisdom of the day was that the Japanese couldn't possibly sortie a carrier fleet, sail it across the Pacific Ocean, and launch aircraft on Pearl Harbor without being detected.
Conventional wisdom was wrong.
So are you.
You sure tried to make the molehill into a mountain. Regrets?
You're the one who keeps whacking the hornet's nest.
lol @ CC getting <attacked> by CF
lol @ < it was a WWII reference >
I don't know why Chump and CC are into the Pearl Harbor thing so heavily, but Chump is right on this one.
1. Radar had only recently been installed in Hawaii at the time of Pearl Harbor, and the operators who saw the Japanese fleet reported sighting a large group of planes coming in. The guy who took the report told the radar operators that what they were looking at was likely the large group of American planes that was expected that morning (the American planes actually arrived while the Japanese attack was going on).
2. The reason that Japan was not "supposed" to be able to attack Pearl Harbor was due to the fact that the harbor was so shallow that conventional torpedos of that era would be expected to hit the sea bed before they detonated. Japan had modified their torpedos to accomodate the shallow harbor, a fact that American intelligence was unaware of and did not, therefore, anticipate.
3. Of course the Japanese planes were not detected before or even shortly after launch. The technology of 1941 didn't allow for that on either side.
They were detected before they got to the island by radar, however.
And in starting the thread, just minutes after the media's report, you immediately connected it to the Chinese. Without any provocation to do so other than your own speculation.
Of course not. Clearly. But when a thread, regardless its monumentality, proves to be empty and/or fraudulent at its core, are those posting within not supposed to comment on that fact?
Condescension is a defense mechanism, then? I'm forced to assume that, since in this exchange you have yet to directly address anything I've said.You are the one that came in swinging...now I'm totally crushed...your approval means EVERYTHING to me...
Look CF, I come in here for amusement and to pass the time when I'm stuck at my desk. I admit that I sometimes just troll for reaction and sometimes when I post I'm serious as a heart attack. This time I was trolling for reaction. I really don't think it was the Chinese.
I know the inbound planes were detected on radar and dismissed as innocent.
I ALWAYS specified before LAUNCH (when it's too late)
Conventional wisdom that the destroyer screens and PBY-2 pickets would spot any danger before they got close enough to launch. They didn't.
The launched planes were definitely detected by the radar you mentioned.
I said nothing about the carrier group's being detected or not. For that, I'll say the Pacific Ocean is quite large.
I'm right about that, just as I was right about the planes' being detected.
You are now trying to support two failing arguments. It would be best if you just claimed to be kidding about Pearl as well.
Why? Do you have maps of the destroyer screens and seaplane flights at that time?
You got one from CF. You have yet to address it directly.
Why are you ducking her, CC?
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