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In the world where 32.4% is comparable to 40.9%.
A trifling detail!
But seriously : my mistake(s) -- sorry all.
In the world where 32.4% is comparable to 40.9%.
Everyone is married to this idea that the spurs could not win ballgames without Matt Bonner. I find it kind of comical actually.
sorry - talking about this year. Matt's 50% and Anthony's 44% from 3, but Tolliver's FG% is 45% while Matt's is 40%. Rebounds per game are better for Tolliver too - I know that's shocking.
http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursna...te-not-parker/French guys hate Golden State? Not Parker
Jeff McDonald
...Parker is happy for Mahinmi, the former Spurs draft pick whose career in San Antonio ended over the summer when the team declined to re-sign him.
“I heard he played great,” said Parker, also a longtime teammate of Mahinmi’s on the French national team. “I’ve been a big supporter of him. I always wanted to see him do great.”
Taking away the 3's (which have been uncontested for the most part up till now) Bonner 2pt% is 5-27 (18%).
But keep practicing those uncontested 3's, Matty!
at getting self righteous about someone else.
First off, I understand that Pop's not perfect and neither is the front office. I was exasperated in 2003 in Game 6 against Dallas. Pop was stubbornly keeping Kerr on the bench. He finally let him play and the rest is history.
As for Ian, he was given several years to develop and he didn't. In hindsight, The FO blew it when they drafted him but he showed enough potential to justify the risk.
The hate for Bonner in this forum has reached ridiculous proportions. He's not the greatest player in the world and not the most athletic but he spreads the floor and serves a purpose. He's a shooter. If he's missing shots, you don't just bail on the guy. You let him keep shooting. This team is notorious for bad offensive stretches. Why spotlight Bonner ?
I know Pop has stuck with veterans past their primes but I think it was more of a lack of other options. Not playing G. Hill in the playoffs had more to do with Hill's inexperience. That's why I'm trying to stress that we have NO idea what happens in practice.
How many times did Hill blow a defensive assignment ? How many times during practice did he show an inability to run the team ? How many times did he show indecisiveness ? That's what seems to drive Pop crazy. Maybe Hill was lazy in practice and he didn't seem focused or committed enough to earn minutes. What kind of message would that send to the other players or Hill for that matter if Pop let him play. We have no idea.
44% on 32 attempts this year. 30.6% on 193 attempts in his career before this year. If you're comparing "stretch 4s", Tolliver is not in Bonner's class and it's really not close. Furthermore, Tolliver was given every chance to take the "stretch 4" role on the Spurs in 2008 and he failed miserably.
The only reason to choose Tolliver over Bonner in the summer of 2010 would have been money. Tolliver would have been a much a cheaper option. An option I would have been happy with, but let's not pretend that Tolliver and Bonner are comparable in the critical skill the Spurs would most value from either one of them.
Ian had a good game. If he was in SA he would never see the floor.
Pop plays Bonner too much when he is cold.
Pop should start giving Splitter the burn he needs to iron out the inevitable mistakes.
Duncan should be seeing more rest. As it is right now, he will be dog tired come playoff time.
Ah, so you're using Bonner on your fantasy team.
I'm more worried about Manu's minutes than Tim's, tbh.
see - I don't get that. Matt gives you 2 x 3 pt buckets a game. He might have a 7/7, but then he'll go 0/6 - point is he gives you 2 x 3 pointers per game. He does little else - Tolliver would be comparable as a big because he brings a more traditional skillset of a big and some use as a 3pt shooter. With Neal and Jefferson's increased production from the 3, I don't believe bonner's 3 point services are as needed as some expect. If he stretches the floor - why is he open so much?
I'm not hating on Bonner - he does the best he can, but he's just not good enough to help the Spurs win a le if he's averaging 20 minutes per game. As our big 3 start to wear down this season, our offense will suffer and our defense will become more important. Splitter might help, I'm not sure Blair can and I know Bonner won't.
Because he's a shining example of how some players get a longer leash than others - even when they're sucking. Bonner is a good shooter, but he's a streaky one at that. He may one day break through his penchant for playoff choking, but it hasn't happened yet. He's also a very one-dimensional player, who has done nothing to justify the sustained faith that this organization has in him.
Which is precisely why no one on here can proclaim the kid as a bust or that he's instantly ready to become a valuable rotation player. We still don't know.
1. I was for letting Bonner walk this summer
2. I'm not contending that Bonner for 20 minutes a night is a recipe for success.
3. You vastly overestimate Tolliver's skillset as a big. His career rebounding numbers are very close to Bonner's and it's doubtful he would be any better as a defender for the Spurs.
4. All that said, I would have been happy to see Bonner replaced with Tolliver this past summer. First, it would have opened up about 2M in payroll space. Second, since Tolliver is not Bonner's equal as a shooter, we would have seen more of Splitter and Blair.
5. The point I've made is simple. Tolliver is not comparable to Bonner in the most critical skill desired by the Spurs from either of them. You can make a case for preferring Tolliver over Bonner, just as I have here, but you can't base it on comparable shooting skills.
Dallas fans, sportswriters and Mav coaches are happy over his play overall so far, not just in this game, although he was particularly good last night when given 20 minutes. He's not fouling and although his shot wasn't going down because of getting fouled; he was getting lots of FTs because he was going strong to the rim.He also changed a couple of shots that failed because of his defense.
He could be one of those guys who doesn't show up well in practice but does a lot better in games.
And the point I made is simple - Bonner is being used as a big more than a 3 point shooter, so based on big stats you get more bang for your buck with someone like Tolliver.
I'm not saying your point is invalid - it just wasn't part of what I was saying.
I've read your first post on this again. It certainly reads as if that was very much part of what you were saying, but if you meant something else then there's nothing left to talk about.
The Spurs decided after 4 or 5 years that they'd seen enough to let him walk. That's good enough for me.
Scola.. that was a total cluster f8ck by the FO, and he's showed them how bad a decision it was to trade him. No excuse for that. Perhaps the worst debacle and handling of a player since letting Rod Strickland walk for nothing.
Unless your attending a Popper meeting. Speaking of, maybe you should take a flyer and see what its all about. Have a few Chumpdumper raspberry cookies and hear some good live music.
when we talk about a young prospect getting some spot minutes once in a while, i'm sorry but season average metric is stupid. If he doesn't get consistent PT in a reasonable time frame then call him a bust for not cracking any nba team rotation, untill that, you can only base your analysis by seeing him play and by figuring out his ceiling.
What the point to say this guy is a bust because he got 1,2 pt, 0,9 reb and 0,02 blk per game in 5 mn, these 5 mn coming from DNP, 10 mn in garbage time, DNP, 2 mn, 15 mn etc... ?
BTW with the spurs his per 36 mn stat was very good.
22 pts 11 rbds 63% 3rd PER on the team (21.6) behind Tim and Manu.
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Career stats per 36 min: 21 pts (57%) 11 rbds 2blks
I am not sure Agloco really wants to evaluate Ian through his garbage time minutes
Last edited by Solid D; 12-08-2010 at 05:13 PM.
Just turned off the mavs game Ian Mahimi is beasting again
2 points lecrab really
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