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I am pretty sure Timvp meant only those Spurs fans who were ing.
I could only make it until like page three before I had to post
I am pretty sure Timvp meant only those Spurs fans who were ing.
That's because Stern told the zebras to give us a freakin break.
I didn't need to record anything because they showed the clip of Manu FLOPPING 3 or 4 times. Even if Amare bumped him in the chest, a guy like that doesn't go FLYING backwards into the air. At the most, he should be shoved backwards 2 or 3 steps. Manu is an amazing basketball player and one of my favorites but he is quite the actor.
He sure does . . . but most of the times they are fouls anyways, he just exaggerates. But many times he gets hit hard, he ends up on the floor and those are no flops.
I like Sick's post.
While at the game, and without the benefit of replay, I was bent about the double T. I would never think that it cost the Spurs the game tonight, but I initially thought the call was wrong (I was sitting, basically right above it). I also thought the officials gave Amare a ton of leeway in certain situations after he picked up his second foul. He appeared to me to plow Nazr in the second quarter, but there was no call. He and Nazr virtually exchanged punches for the duration of the second and third quarters, without any real interjection by the officials. And I thought it was a clear charge in the last minute or so, and thought that Amare got flat bailed out on that play. (I'm sure Suns fans could point to several plays they thought should have been called the Suns way).
With all of that said, the Spurs lost tonight because they were the softer team, physically and mentally. I thought that was evident as early as Suns 7, Spurs 1 in the First Quarter. The Spurs had no attention to detail defensively. They settled for jump shot after jump shot on the offensive end. And they failed to execute simple tasks, as has been noted ad nauseum here, like shooting free throws and boxing out on the defensive end. They deserved this loss tonight because they played a soft, soft game and looked around for officials to bail them out. That is a recipe for losing at this level, and the Spurs followed the recipe perfectly.
If you think officiating cost the Spurs this game, it can only be because the Spurs allowed the game to reach a point where the officials could make a difference.
I like flopping when it's guys on my team doing it...I can respect Manu doing it because he's a great defender and flopping is just another part of his arsenal...
IMO though, he's doing it too much...
1.The Suns are not a physical team.
2.If a player does it all the time it becomes less effective.
Never flop late in a big game...it hardly ever gets called. And if it does it's usually because the ref crew doesn't know what they are doing.
Would Spursfans be happy losing a game because the other team flopped and got the calls? I don't think so...
Flop when the flopping is good...but it should never be a goto move down the stretch unless you legitimately get fouled.
In this case I applaud Manu's effort though because he was trying to make something out of nothing on a lost posession at a crucial moment in the game, and we had nothing to lose by him trying it. It was very clever actually.
This statement sums up everything perfectly. I think we did have legitimate beefs with the refs. But if you're going to be a champion, you have to overcome those because we get our share of calls too. It goes both ways. Bad free throw shooting, Tim playing soft down the stretch and Tony's play all spelled doom before the zebras even got involved.
I think obvious flops should be hit with a fine if the replay shows conclusively that the player was baiting the ref into a call.
Flops are a blight on the game. I don't blame players for doing it, because it works, but the NBA needs to make more of an effort to prevent them from being such a prevalent part of the game.
Spurminator...excuse my french but that is the biggest load of cat manure ever dumped on a message board...
Flopping is an artform and adds an edge of unpredictability to the game. It makes the game even more challenging...and that is never a bad thing.
Nothing gets you worse than being in the middle of close game and some guy pulling out a masterful flop to totally alter the momentum...all you can do is tip your hat.
On top of that, doing what you say would be an admission of incompetence of the refs...they make the decision on if it's an o foul or not...
Stop the hate of flopping
It's the basketball equivalent of a trick play...a flea flicker, the hidden ball trick.
On top of that...
What's really amusing is that you'll defend confessed child murders from the death penalty...yet you'll judge a basketball player without ever being able to prove if he was deliberately being deceptive or not...That method WOULD allow the NBA to have a bias that could never be questioned...
There are no rules against trying to decieve the refs...IF that's the case players and coaches that complain about calls when they did in fact commit a foul should also be penalized.
There has never been a player that thought he ever commited a foul, or a coach that ever thought his team got a legitimate foul called on them...
Besides...it's not like there are a lot of flagrant offensive fouls(O fouls being the most frequent outcome of a flop)...in fact I can't ever recall seeing one.
Could you point me to one? This would have never been a flagrant foul by the way...only a tech...and they likely wouldn't have ejected him from the game for it either since Manu was on him after the play ended.
There are strict rules on Techs and Flagrants...and it's virtually impossible to fake one.
The comment was directed at the psychos who think there's a consiracy and the refs screwed their team. No offense to those who aren't going crazy about this.
I think there has been SO much flopping this year compared to others, that the NBA might start assessing techs if they feel it's a flop. Don't know if it's right, but it's getting out of control, and it's just not the Spurs.
What's next on your cleaning up the NBA agenda? Suspending a player for getting inside the head of another player? It's not easy to add a lot of variety to basketball..what there is of it should be treasured and not abhored.
Hmmmmmm. So if I proped Whottt and Spurminator and then Whottt bashes Spurminator, what does that make of my initial propage. The world may never know.
We are supposed to take the word of someone who actually runs out of gas?@ Spurs fans.
That was the biggest flop in NBA history. Manu flops all the time. He was trying to get a technical called on Amare but the refs didn't buy it. Amare didn't do anything and Manu just took a dive.
The correct call was nothing. A double technical is pretty much nothing.
Whottt and Spurm are dead on. The rest of you who believe that was a flop are dead wrong.
WTF runs out of gas nowadays?
Watch the tape. Manu hit the floor with a tremendous slam, he was not sliding backwards.
As I said, what about the pushoff by Amare on TP on his last basket?
The over TD's back rebound at the end?
3 blown calls, noncalls...whatever.
On to the next game.
You watch the tape. That was a horrible flop on Manu's part. He needs to be more particularly about when/where he flops.Watch the tape. Manu hit the floor with a tremendous slam, he was not sliding backwards.
I watched it 12 times...it was a foul.
the ref's are trying their best to help the so-called MVP(my a**)... the same thing happened last year (for KG).. damn refs!!!
I watched it 12 times...it was a foul.
Take your homer glasses off and watch it again.
I just wish Javie was one of the refs at the game.
Refer to this thread.
http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthre...1&page=1&pp=26
Take your homer glasses off and watch it again.
I think you guys NEED glasses.
Case closed.
I will drop it.
Game 5 is next.
I thought it was a good flop. at least he was trying. He fooled Hubie Brown and Al Michaels.
The bigger concern is how many games in these playoffs have we had where two of the big three (usually Duncan and Parker) mail it in? Even one is too many but there have been several.
Well, there were some questionable calls, but I think the Spurs got their share in the first 3 games as well. It's a rough game, and the Spurs can't just expect the Suns to roll over and die.
Duncan 3/12 on FT? An airball? Parker 5/17? What about constantly missing Suns players in transitions? The Suns ripped the Spurs apart in the 3rd, and as much as the Suns deserved to win because of hardwork and clutch plays, the Spurs deserve to loose for their lack of concentration and mental breakdowns.
Still, as terribly as the Spurs played and as well as the Suns played, the Spurs only lost by 5. Spurs in 5.
Wow, you're all over the place. Death penalty? Where did that come from? It's not anything close to a relevant comparison.
Flopping is a deliberate attempt to force the officials to intervene in the game. The officials are there to enforce the rules, but flopping makes the officials a bigger part of the game than they should be. The NBA has enough problems already with the officials calling actual fouls.
It does not benefit the game for flopping to be prevalent, and the NBA should do whatever it can do discourage it. If a player makes a clear attempt to sway the game by acting (particularly an instance like Manu's where he was trying to draw a technical or flagrant foul at a crucial point of the game) he should be fined.
Obviously a flop would only be fined if it was unquestionably deliberate. Stockton had a few, Manu had one last night. It wouldn't be any more of a gray area problem than decisions about fining coaches or owners for ing about officials.
I love how so many Spurs fans are suddenly huge proponents of flopping now that Horry and Manu are on their team, but they were ready to lynch Karl Malone and John Stockton for beating them with such antics.
You'd have to be a raging homer to suggest that flopping makes the game better. You try that on the street and you'd be laughed off the court. I defy anyone to suggest they wouldn't rather watch the NBA where players played with the honor and sportsmanship of taking only fouls that are actual fouls.
Flopping is the NBA equivalent of a golfer secretly moving his ball off the rough, or a pitcher using a slightly oval-shaped baseball. In other words, it's cheating.
And it's ing lame.
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